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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 9225866" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>If its a feat it isn't a stat.</p><p></p><p>Yes, it's that simple. </p><p></p><p>People that like the idea of playing an attractive person don't just want to choose a generic "attractive". And they aren't looking for supernatural attraction - there's magic for that. We're talking regular "mundane" attractiveness <span style="font-size: 12px">(although I can think of a couple of actors and actresses in specific scenes where I wouldn't be surprised if supernatural forces were involved...)</span></p><p></p><p>They want to compare numbers, just like Dexterity or Charisma. They like to be able to compare a 3 to a 6 to an average 9, or put a 17 and not an 18 imagining a birth mark or something.</p><p></p><p>Anyway. This whole discussion started, not because I'm arguing Attractiveness must be a D&D stat or anything, but because a random remark reminded me adding Appearance is an easy tweak to the system. I'm not advocating for a general addition to 5E. Heck, my remarks here are not specific to any edition (that keeps values between 3-18 or -4 to +4)</p><p></p><p>As I said, it wouldn't be a number used for anything else except cases where superficial beauty is important, and the player get to pick his number completely freely. </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The scared girl deciding which hero to approach: a negative Appearance modifier lessens the chance she will approach you.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While playing out a short downtime sequence, the barbarian hero looking to score, and there are three ladies to choose from. The one "winning" an Appearance contest is the one he starts up conversation with, only to realize she's got Charisma 5.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The party innocently walking past a murder scene, when an old lady suddenly pointing a finger at one of them screeching "murder". Subtract your Appearance from the roll (so the most hideous stands the largest chance of "winning").</li> </ul><p></p><p>But mostly just to be part of the description, a passive value. If your players like to find character portraits through google images or pinterest, it can be useful to ask them to peg a number on the face. If only to avoid the scenario where a player chooses a stunningly beautiful or handsome portrait but would go on maintaining she or he is average, trying to get the best of both worlds. Having the player put down a number avoids such nonsense. Either she's an 18 (or 17 or 19) and we're looking at the same picture, or she's an 11 and I get to ask "how are you imagining the portrait to be modified? Does she have a scar or grimace or rotten pustule somewhere we can't see it, or what?"</p><p></p><p>But don't just ask me. Others can have their own reasons for liking Comeliness.</p><p></p><p>I'm just a random poster getting reminded an Appearance score might make sense, even if I don't use it in the old-school way ("girls get a -4 to strength but +4 to appearance, so that's totally fair") <span style="font-size: 12px">which is stupid in more ways than one, thankyouverymuch</span>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 9225866, member: 12731"] If its a feat it isn't a stat. Yes, it's that simple. People that like the idea of playing an attractive person don't just want to choose a generic "attractive". And they aren't looking for supernatural attraction - there's magic for that. We're talking regular "mundane" attractiveness [SIZE=3](although I can think of a couple of actors and actresses in specific scenes where I wouldn't be surprised if supernatural forces were involved...)[/SIZE] They want to compare numbers, just like Dexterity or Charisma. They like to be able to compare a 3 to a 6 to an average 9, or put a 17 and not an 18 imagining a birth mark or something. Anyway. This whole discussion started, not because I'm arguing Attractiveness must be a D&D stat or anything, but because a random remark reminded me adding Appearance is an easy tweak to the system. I'm not advocating for a general addition to 5E. Heck, my remarks here are not specific to any edition (that keeps values between 3-18 or -4 to +4) As I said, it wouldn't be a number used for anything else except cases where superficial beauty is important, and the player get to pick his number completely freely. [LIST] [*]The scared girl deciding which hero to approach: a negative Appearance modifier lessens the chance she will approach you. [*]While playing out a short downtime sequence, the barbarian hero looking to score, and there are three ladies to choose from. The one "winning" an Appearance contest is the one he starts up conversation with, only to realize she's got Charisma 5. [*]The party innocently walking past a murder scene, when an old lady suddenly pointing a finger at one of them screeching "murder". Subtract your Appearance from the roll (so the most hideous stands the largest chance of "winning"). [/LIST] But mostly just to be part of the description, a passive value. If your players like to find character portraits through google images or pinterest, it can be useful to ask them to peg a number on the face. If only to avoid the scenario where a player chooses a stunningly beautiful or handsome portrait but would go on maintaining she or he is average, trying to get the best of both worlds. Having the player put down a number avoids such nonsense. Either she's an 18 (or 17 or 19) and we're looking at the same picture, or she's an 11 and I get to ask "how are you imagining the portrait to be modified? Does she have a scar or grimace or rotten pustule somewhere we can't see it, or what?" But don't just ask me. Others can have their own reasons for liking Comeliness. I'm just a random poster getting reminded an Appearance score might make sense, even if I don't use it in the old-school way ("girls get a -4 to strength but +4 to appearance, so that's totally fair") [SIZE=3]which is stupid in more ways than one, thankyouverymuch[/SIZE]. [/QUOTE]
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