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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9627717" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Tasha's Hideous Laughter and CommandFor both of these the real problem is not just multiple targets (and command already had that), but rather that the spells now affect every creature type, almost everything is vulnerable to them on a failed save.One of the main drawbacks of a caster is forcing choices for preparing spells.&nbsp; You can't prepare every spell.&nbsp; The problem with these spells is they are so effective and versatile and scale so well that it eliminates the need for other control spells as you level.&nbsp; You can have THL or Command be your &quot;one control spell&quot; for level 1-20 and never bother with any others and still be very powerful and effective at control when neededTHL in particular, cast at a higher level generally scales better than alternative concentration control spells of that same level - THL at level 2 is better than Hold Person, THL at level 3 is better than Hypnotic Pattern, THL at level 4 is better than Banishment, THL at level 5 is better than Hold Monster.&nbsp; Obviously there are situations that is not true, but in the vast majority of situations it is true.In my recent 1-20 campaign, my PC (Warlock-Arcane Trickster-Paladin) was still using THL all the time at level 17+I have not seen problems with any other spells in the 2024 rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9627717, member: 7030563"] Tasha's Hideous Laughter and Command For both of these the real problem is not just multiple targets (and command already had that), but rather that the spells now affect every creature type, almost everything is vulnerable to them on a failed save. One of the main drawbacks of a caster is forcing choices for preparing spells. You can't prepare every spell. The problem with these spells is they are so effective and versatile and scale so well that it eliminates the need for other control spells as you level. You can have THL or Command be your "one control spell" for level 1-20 and never bother with any others and still be very powerful and effective at control when needed THL in particular, cast at a higher level generally scales better than alternative concentration control spells of that same level - THL at level 2 is better than Hold Person, THL at level 3 is better than Hypnotic Pattern, THL at level 4 is better than Banishment, THL at level 5 is better than Hold Monster. Obviously there are situations that is not true, but in the vast majority of situations it is true. In my recent 1-20 campaign, my PC (Warlock-Arcane Trickster-Paladin) was still using THL all the time at level 17+ I have not seen problems with any other spells in the 2024 rules. [/QUOTE]

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