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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9378078" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Geeze, you mean if you slap a player with a penalty that was never discussed with them, out of the blue, and then threaten to either kill or ruin their character they get upset? /sNow, hopefully I am misunderstanding you, and it is more that you are discussing during session 0. And at that point, it is all about the approach. I would ask what the contract was, and if the player insists they got the power without paying a long-term price, I might ask them "Okay, sounds like you cheated this devil out of their proper payment. How do you feel about them gunning for you as a mortal enemy, since you got the better of them?" A lot of players are perfectly fine with a personalized villain, and it can be a ton of fun. You just can't approach it as "you need a list of penalties and you sold your soul, what did you expect it is a devil, now here's what happened."</blockquote>