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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 9381042" data-attributes="member: 5142">Yeah, like a lot of other experimental classes in 3e, the Binder suffered from "neat idea, horrible/boring execution." However, I would prefer prefer a greater shift away from "vestiges" to more familiar otherworldly powers: e.g., fiends, celestials, fey, elementals, spirits, etc. I think that the Warlock would be a good class to showcase the various powers of the D&D multiverse.As I mentioned above, part of my issue with the Warlock is that it is "bargained for powers" and not "bargaining for powers." It relegates a pretty big aspect of the Warlock's identity to an off-screen event. The GM may or may not involve the Patron at all. This is both good and bad in my opinion. It's good in that it's opt-in engagement, as the player and/or GM may not want to engage play with the Patron, but it's bad for the same reason. That said, I do agree that there is a weird sort of flavor/mechanical mismatch with the Warlock. Sure, but I probably would not build a Warlock like the 3e Binder. The Goetic is not a spell-slinger. They are ritual summoners. So there can be some time requirements in what they do. However, I would not say that it's more appropriate for a solo game. Invisible Sun is NOT a solo game. Yes and no, or to borrow one of my favorite words from the Germans, "jein." And I think that a Warlock in D&D could be built to accomodate this sort of thing with a little work, but I would put a lot of that summoning and bargaining in the out-of-combat Ritual spells. Expand these Rituals and make Warlocks (increasingly) better at these sort of summoning rituals or with summoning spells. The option to cast them in-combat would still exist with Pact Magic. I think that Warlocks should be the best summoners and ritualists. They would still be relying on Cantrips/Weapons and Pact Magic. There could even be Invocations that let them interact with these otherworldly beings in different ways: e.g., ask X questions, advantage on Charisma rolls with certain beings, bind a being to an item, immunity to certain conditions, etc.</blockquote>

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