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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9379598" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>That was always something that bothered me.</p><p></p><p>But: remarkable athlete down to 3 and improved goes a long way to balance it way better:</p><p></p><p>-advantage on initiative:</p><p>Going first if you would not otherwise can mean a full round of damage. Lets say, about 25% of combats will have this situation (math is bit complicated here).</p><p>That could mean extra 4 attacks at level 5. So on average one more attack per combat. Which adds some damage.</p><p></p><p>-extra movement on a crit. Mobility is very helpful, if you are in melee. Especially a twf champion will move a lot as they have more chances to crit.</p><p>Also weapon masteries like vex will give the champion advantage a lot, making a higher crit chance even better.</p><p></p><p>Also consider that a battlemaster rarely spends all dice in a single combat. Until they regain one every round, they usually don't want to be caught without any die left. I</p><p>If two combats happen before the fighter can take a short rest, the battlemaster might not be use any subclass ability in a given fight.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So even though the numbers seem to favour the battlemaster heavily, in actual play the champion is not as far behind as one would assume. And after the buffs, I am quite certain that the little (average) damage difference will not be noticable, as different adventuring days favour one or the other and there will be days where the champion heavily outdamages a battlemaster.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 9379598, member: 59057"] That was always something that bothered me. But: remarkable athlete down to 3 and improved goes a long way to balance it way better: -advantage on initiative: Going first if you would not otherwise can mean a full round of damage. Lets say, about 25% of combats will have this situation (math is bit complicated here). That could mean extra 4 attacks at level 5. So on average one more attack per combat. Which adds some damage. -extra movement on a crit. Mobility is very helpful, if you are in melee. Especially a twf champion will move a lot as they have more chances to crit. Also weapon masteries like vex will give the champion advantage a lot, making a higher crit chance even better. Also consider that a battlemaster rarely spends all dice in a single combat. Until they regain one every round, they usually don't want to be caught without any die left. I If two combats happen before the fighter can take a short rest, the battlemaster might not be use any subclass ability in a given fight. So even though the numbers seem to favour the battlemaster heavily, in actual play the champion is not as far behind as one would assume. And after the buffs, I am quite certain that the little (average) damage difference will not be noticable, as different adventuring days favour one or the other and there will be days where the champion heavily outdamages a battlemaster. [/QUOTE]
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