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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9405570" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, you came to a discussion about how there are not enough domains, where I said that they don't need more subclasses than the other classes do. Your response was (to quote you word for word) "To get a comfortable range of concepts mechanically supported, I think they do."You say you meant that to mean that you need to get away from domains altogether and divide them using a different metric, but also that archetypes are the same as subclasses.Level Up clerics have 5 Archetypes.Adepts have 9Artificers have 5Bards have 9Berserkers have 7To speed things up, most classes in Level Up have more than 5, in fact 5 is the lowest number of all the classes, and only the Cleric and Artificer have that few.So, I said "Clerics do not need more subclasses than other classes"You said that they need more subclasses than other classes to be get a comfortable range of concepts supported, meaning that they need to get away from domains as the subclass concept and divide the subclasses in a different way, like in Level Up where clerics have the least number of subclasses compared to other classes.And when I defended the PHB having 4 subclasses and that covering enough concepts, saying that the concepts that are lacking could either make do or be ported over, you declared that you were so glad you don't need to play with the limited material I am comfortable with, meaning that you find that FIVE subclasses is plenty to cover every concept, because the subclasses are divivded up in a different manner which has nothing at all to do with their number, which was the point being made. Weirdly though you never once said, until right this moment after I've asked you how Level Up is relevant, a single thing about how Domains are separated. You just kept insisting that FOUR is too small of a number of subclasses for the cleric in particular. Defending the idea that to have a comfortable range of concepts, you clearly need MORE subclasses than any other class, like in Level Up, where clerics have FEWER subclasses than most any other class, tying for the fewest number overall.I feel like you are either scrambling to find a way to suggest Level Up is relevant, or you responded with a sentence you expected to convey six paragraphs of context that have nothing to do with the sentence you used.</blockquote>

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