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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 9388217" data-attributes="member: 6803643">Dip should never be assumed as baseline. Most players never want to touch multiclassing to achieve their character archetype due to missing out on endgame levels (might be less of an issue now that you can level up past 20th) or at the very least the slower leveling of power. I do think you could make a Ranger Archetype Fighter, and the Arcane Archer with the Nature skill choice gets close to some Ranger concepts, as would taking the Eldritch Knight and swapping out spell choices and a few features. But I also think this undervalues the Ranger as an Expert Gish – it's 1/4 Rogue, 1/4 Fighter, and 1/2 Druid, sort of like how the Bard is a mix of Rogue, Druid, and Sorcerer. I think the calls for Martial Ranger class highlight the overlap with Rogue and Fighter – something that the magical druidic stuff helps differentiate it. I also like the Breath of the Wild stamina/exploration features in the Tasha and 2024 Rangers, which definitely lean a different direction than any of its related classes.</blockquote>