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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9388303" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I generally multiclass before level 5 if I am building a multiclass character (usually at level 2 or 3).  It has never seemed like an overall nerf for me, but I am almost always playing a PC with spells and Cantrips scale with Character level.You do miss out on extra attack or 3rd level spells on most of those, but if you are multiclassing that is usually made up for by the multiclass option.For example Wizard 4/Tempest Cleric, Death Cleric or Order Cleric 1 is generally more powerful than Wizard 5.  They have the same number of slots, 3 more cantrips and at least 2 more spells prepared.  While he can't cast Fear or Counterspell he can upcast Cause Fear, Bless and can cast Healing Word, he has a much better AC and his cantrips are objectively more powerful due to the subclasses:  Death gets medium armor, can twin his Wizard Chill Touch and martial weapons make his blade cantrips more powerful.  Order gives heavy armor and better weapons than the base Wizard along with Voice of Authority.  Tempest gives martial weapons and heavy armor both. Similarly, a strength-based Fighter 4/Warlock 1 does not get extra attack, but he generally is doing more damage with a Blade cantrip and Hex than he would with extra attack and no Hex.  Meanwhile he has a much better ranged attack option with Eldritch Blast and an awesome Warlock subclass ability if he takes Undead or Hexblade as a subclass.These are just two examples, but there are lots.  If you are looking at a multiclass build you are generally going to be better, all things considered, if you multiclass early and this will generally hold at level 5.  I find where it generally "hurts" the most is not the level 5 class abilities, but some of the higher level subclass abilities.  For example on the multiclasses combos above delaying War Magic by 1 level on your EK fighter because you took a 1-level Warlock dip is going to hurt at level 7 and taking a 1-level Cleric dip is going to hurt an Enchantment Wizard at level 10 because you don't get split enchantment at level 10.</blockquote>

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