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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vincent55" data-source="post: 9388968" data-attributes="member: 7037991"><p>How about we stop trying to give every class spell options and focus on what the class is about, ranger is about nature, survival, and animal companions. the environment and knowing how to get around in it, tracking foraging and wild beasts and such. The druid is more a spell caster healer and priest type so leave the spells there, want to cast spells as a ranger then make it a sub-class of ranger like druid grove defender or something. The ranger should have ointments or poultices (which last longer than spells but have to be applied before or after combat, possibly having quick apply options at higher levels for some,  to do things, the ability to craft specific arrows or substances to apply to his weapon, as well as, knowledge of the environment to let him avoid traps, ambushes, find good camping spots, creature layers, and other such things. the ability to not get lost and increase the movement of the party overland travel. Many of these things are missing from the class or just glossed over and vague.</p></blockquote><p></p>