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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9389647" data-attributes="member: 63508">And to me the LU ranger is a nerfed LU fighter in a green cloak with nonmagical versions of 1st and 2nd level spells. It's really only has a point if you use LU's exploration system that links them to the system.That to me is the problem.As D&D and D&D clones relax The limitations on various classes and allows them to pick abilities from other classes, The model of the third edition Ranger becomes a redundant because it was purposely created to make a character that didn't have those restrictions.Basically if a fighter can pick up 1st level Druid spells and get expertise, what's the point of a ranger that just has nonmagical druid spells and expertise?This is where getting into the flavor of the Rangers starts mattering. Allowing the Ranger to substitute themselves with logs, shoot explosive arrows, turn their arms into claws, silver and golden their swords, sync with a bird, grow gills and fins, and meld with the rocks. Etc etc.</blockquote>