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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9405312" data-attributes="member: 93670">Would that be the fey warlock with eldritch blast and a bunch of invocations or was there a fey warlock in 3.5/4e that you were referring to?&nbsp; It's the double dip on justifying extras that causes problems.No not&nbsp; 30, wizards don't even have that much.... Just checking the last packet from each we saw the druid cleric &amp; sorcerer cap out at 22+all 10ish subclass granted spells prepared to the wizard's 25. Likewise the warlock caps out at 15 spells known plus the ~10ish always prepared/known ones granted by their subclass. Also I believe that you are vastly overstating the capabilities of memorize spell even before considering the realities of play☆ that ensure spell prep lists are almost never altered to that extreme of a degree in any edition let alone on a short rest.☆ Those tend to differ from the needs of movie &amp; paramount+ series storyboardingI'm going to make a quibble with this.&nbsp; In past editions there was reason to value being able to swap out spells because of two reasons 5e kicked from the ruleset's umbrella.&nbsp; Even beyond that the other classes had their own edition specific identity that interacted with those things.&nbsp; Without vancian casting/prep, 5e's neovancian prep largely removes the value in being able to swap spells from a book rather than having a shorter spells known list. Without spells scaling by caster level that problem is exacerbated because every level of spells has a set of spells that are generally going to be most optimal no matter the PC's level.&nbsp; The two combined results in incredibly static spell lists for everyone.&nbsp; In 3.x sorcerer had a smaller pool of spells known but more spell slots with the wizard the other way around having fewer slots but a bigger list in their spellbook to pull from.&nbsp; In 2e there was a similar split where the wizard had more slots &amp; often got them earlier but the bard was far more durable before things got complicated to summarize from there with speed of leveling with exp table differences &amp; system specific crunch</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9405312, member: 93670"] Would that be the fey warlock with eldritch blast and a bunch of invocations or was there a fey warlock in 3.5/4e that you were referring to? It's the double dip on justifying extras that causes problems. No not 30, wizards don't even have that much.... Just checking the last packet from each we saw the druid cleric & sorcerer cap out at 22+all 10ish subclass granted spells prepared to the wizard's 25. Likewise the warlock caps out at 15 spells known plus the ~10ish always prepared/known ones granted by their subclass. Also I believe that you are vastly overstating the capabilities of memorize spell even before considering the realities of play☆ that ensure spell prep lists are almost never altered to that extreme of a degree in any edition let alone on a short rest. ☆ Those tend to differ from the needs of movie & paramount+ series storyboarding I'm going to make a quibble with this. In past editions there was reason to value being able to swap out spells because of two reasons 5e kicked from the ruleset's umbrella. Even beyond that the other classes had their own edition specific identity that interacted with those things. Without vancian casting/prep, 5e's neovancian prep largely removes the value in being able to swap spells from a book rather than having a shorter spells known list. Without spells scaling by caster level that problem is exacerbated because every level of spells has a set of spells that are generally going to be most optimal no matter the PC's level. The two combined results in incredibly static spell lists for everyone. In 3.x sorcerer had a smaller pool of spells known but more spell slots with the wizard the other way around having fewer slots but a bigger list in their spellbook to pull from. In 2e there was a similar split where the wizard had more slots & often got them earlier but the bard was far more durable before things got complicated to summarize from there with speed of leveling with exp table differences & system specific crunch [/QUOTE]

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