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<blockquote data-quote="deadman1204" data-source="post: 9406551" data-attributes="member: 7045949">There is a massive missunderstanding in here. People who do not play wizards love to imagine wizards have all spells in the game memorized at all times. In 5th ed, there is NO mechanism to change spells outside of a long rest. In 5.5, you can change a SINGLE spell on a short rest. Thus you go the entire day with what you started with.Add to this that until you get to high levels, its not uncommon for sorcerers to actually have MORE known spells than wizards. IF your dm isn't handing out free spells, then the wizard only gets 2 per level. Sorcerers have buckets of bonus spells that result in them having more &quot;free&quot; spells than wizards until you get close to 10th level.To have the magical &quot;every spell&quot; spell list, the player must spend ALOT of money to get the spells. However thats coming from their share of the loot, which means they are NOT getting magic items and other things that everyone else is spending money on. Thus while the party may have decent items, the wizard will often be wearing crap gear so they can afford spells instead. Imagine if a bard or a paladin had to spend money to get their class abilities? The internet would melt down.If you actually play a wizard, you will see that the vaunted &quot;can do everything white board&quot; is a total illusion. You choose at the start of the day which spells you hope will be useful. You cannot switch unless your dm has some house rule. Thus wizards end up just choosing the most general useful spells - just like a sorcerer....Yup, we can have a whiteboard fantasy of a 20th level wizard with infinite money doing crazy things, but that never happens. Your 5th level wizard (about average level of ALL games played) will quite often have less spells than the sorcerer, and ZERO other abilities to boot because wizards have &quot;unlimited potential&quot; that is also completely unusuable.Closing note - sorcerers have the same spell list as wizards too. Its strange how wizards suffer so much from class jealousy and missunderstanding, all of it based on white board simulations that have zero relevance to how games are actually played.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="deadman1204, post: 9406551, member: 7045949"] There is a massive missunderstanding in here. People who do not play wizards love to imagine wizards have all spells in the game memorized at all times. In 5th ed, there is NO mechanism to change spells outside of a long rest. In 5.5, you can change a SINGLE spell on a short rest. Thus you go the entire day with what you started with. Add to this that until you get to high levels, its not uncommon for sorcerers to actually have MORE known spells than wizards. IF your dm isn't handing out free spells, then the wizard only gets 2 per level. Sorcerers have buckets of bonus spells that result in them having more "free" spells than wizards until you get close to 10th level. To have the magical "every spell" spell list, the player must spend ALOT of money to get the spells. However thats coming from their share of the loot, which means they are NOT getting magic items and other things that everyone else is spending money on. Thus while the party may have decent items, the wizard will often be wearing crap gear so they can afford spells instead. Imagine if a bard or a paladin had to spend money to get their class abilities? The internet would melt down. If you actually play a wizard, you will see that the vaunted "can do everything white board" is a total illusion. You choose at the start of the day which spells you hope will be useful. You cannot switch unless your dm has some house rule. Thus wizards end up just choosing the most general useful spells - just like a sorcerer.... Yup, we can have a whiteboard fantasy of a 20th level wizard with infinite money doing crazy things, but that never happens. Your 5th level wizard (about average level of ALL games played) will quite often have less spells than the sorcerer, and ZERO other abilities to boot because wizards have "unlimited potential" that is also completely unusuable. Closing note - sorcerers have the same spell list as wizards too. Its strange how wizards suffer so much from class jealousy and missunderstanding, all of it based on white board simulations that have zero relevance to how games are actually played. [/QUOTE]

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