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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Amphytrion" data-source="post: 9408828" data-attributes="member: 7046181">No, I meant what I wrote. But in an effort to engage in good faith, I'll consider the following: I have had relatively few sorcerers when compared to wizards in all my tables over the years. It is a less popular archetype. They always felt appropriately interesting and useful at my tables, but that may be my anecdotal sample size.Nonetheless, even granting the above, the goal surely should be to equiparate the blaster-inclined class options, rather than have one be better than the other.Can't they be equally good at blasting, just using different features? That's their identity, I think it's quite understandable that the players expect to be good at them.There's nothing that indicates that a bookish character can't be a blast mage in the archetype itself. If anything, studying and unlocking arcane secrets and learning greater powers is a narrative conclusion that players come to even before learning about the classes of the game.I suppose we'll never know for certain for all D&D players, as we have no way of polling a representative population in a scientific manner. That's not what I meant, however: I meant that, all these years, I've seen dozens of wizards, and only a handful of sorcerers. Out there, maybe they're twice as popular as wizards. To me, and in my context, they've never been as popular as the traditional wizard archetype.Bloodlines being a sorcerer identifier is very much a D&D thing as well. Yes, there are other ways to become a sorcerer, but bloodline is one of its identifiable marks, and as such I used it as an example. There are others, of course. Here is a quote from the class introduction:"Sorcerers carry a magical birthright conferred upon them by an exotic bloodline, [among other things]... No one chooses sorcery."Here's the quote line from the class in Xanathar's: "Practice and study are for amateurs. True power is a birthright."Here's part of the class description of Xanathar's: "Every sorcerer is born to the role, or stumbles into it through cosmic chance. Unlike other characters, who must actively learn, embrace, and purseu their talents, sorcerers have their power thrust upon them. Here's a quote from the SRD sorcerer, which is called "Draconic Bloodline": "Your innate magic comes from draconic magic that was mingled with your blood or that of your ancestors."Here's a quote from the Divine Soul sorcerer description: "Having such a blessed soul is a sign that your innate magic might come from a distant but powerful familial connection to a divine being. Perhaps your ancestor was an angel, transformed into a mortal and sent to fight in a god's name. Or your birthright might align with an ancient prophecy, marking you as a servant of the gods or a chosen vessel of divine magic."I do think bloodlines work as a good example, but of course, there is a broader scope -- maybe the sorcerer was exposed to an outside energy. Nonetheless, I heavily disagree that they are an "everything else" caster. They have a strong class identity (the "accidental" magic-user) and fantasy to go along with it.I'm not opposed to reworkings of the classes as you describe here, though that would never happen in this backwards-compatible new edition. Maybe they do belong in the same class: meta-magic started, of course, as a wizard feature.</blockquote>

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