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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9408849" data-attributes="member: 87792">Does the wizard need to be better than the fighter in a whole pillar of the game? Because it is better at exploration. Even under 2024 rules.WotC have made the decision that classes should be balanced across all three pillars, not in any one individual pillar. And as the wizard is better at exploration than the sorcerer (thanks to rituals starting with Find Familiar, Alarm, Comprehend Languages, and Detect Magic) then the sorcerer needs to be better at another pillar. And the wizard isn't a weak social class nor is the sorcerer a strong one other than one strong stat.Do you really think that "joint best combatant" is part of the scholar of magic archetype?The sorcerer is known to be an inferior wizard.The wizard is currently one of the best exploration classes. Which is entirely appropriate for a scholar class. What nerfs do you therefore propose giving to the wizard so they are no better at exploration than the sorcerer or even the fighter?They are meant to be balanced across the three pillars not in each pillar. Otherwise we need to balance the fighter with the wizard in combat.Fine as long as we rip away the wizard's strengths out of combat so they are no stronger than the sorcerer in exploration. What nerfs are you proposing to the wizard spell lists, spell book, and ritual casting to do this?They are good at them. But they don't get to be the bestest at everything.Bloodlines are one option among many.And that's a selective quotation; let's look at what you omitted. "Sorcerers carry a magical birthright conferred upon them by an exotic bloodline, some otherworldly influence, or exposure to unknown cosmic forces. One can’t study sorcery as one learns a language, any more than one can learn to live a legendary life. No one chooses sorcery; the power chooses the sorcerer."Birthrights are one option and flanderising the class into birthrights does it a disservice. Which might be why you have so few of them.They have more than just one.As far as I'm aware metamagic started in 3.0 and was done by feats accessible to either a wizard or a sorcerer. If it started before 3.0 then it was before the sorcerer split off from the wizard.On-the-fly metamagic rather than prepare a metamagic version of the spell started as a sorcerer thing. Wizards couldn't do it until splatbooks.And they have. Which is why the wizard kicks ass at the exploration pillar - because scholars are about discovering things and aren't primary combatants. And the people bursting with barely contained power do more damage.You can either have the wizard as just as good as the sorcerer at both exploration and combat or you can have classes follow their fantasies. Or you can have The Wizard Is The Most Powerful (which some people want even at the expense of everyone else's fantasies)</blockquote>

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