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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9409574" data-attributes="member: 93670">No I believe it's the same hypothetical, it only looks like it could be a different thing because of efforts made by a few posters to oversimplify a complex interconnected issue.&nbsp; To show the extent of that oversimplification... Earlier in the thread one of those posters quoted single sentences from a post in isolation and asked questions that were answered in the rest of the post those were stripped in.Sorcerer warlock and Bard (the other arcane casters) get class features and subclass features+many bonus spells to offset their limited spell selection and those are balanced as if the shorter list is still a noteworthy loss as it was in earlier editions.&nbsp; With 5e however spell design ensures that the limit being offset is more of a hypothetical edge case possibility than one likely to really matter while that same design ensures that the wizard having a wider selection with more choices can&nbsp; rarely be meaningful thanks to the overuse of concentration &amp;must take &quot;iconic&quot; spells that render other options irrelevant</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9409574, member: 93670"] No I believe it's the [I]same[/I] hypothetical, it only looks like it [I]could[/I] be a different thing because of efforts made by a few posters to oversimplify a complex interconnected issue. To show the extent of that oversimplification... Earlier in the thread one of those posters quoted single sentences from a post in isolation and asked questions that were answered in the rest of the post those were stripped in. Sorcerer warlock and Bard (the other arcane casters) get class features and subclass features+many bonus spells to offset their limited spell selection and those are balanced as if the shorter list is still a noteworthy loss as it was in earlier editions. With 5e however spell design ensures that the limit being offset is more of a hypothetical edge case possibility than one likely to really matter while that same design ensures that the wizard having a wider selection with more choices can rarely be meaningful thanks to the overuse of concentration &must take "iconic" spells that render other options irrelevant [/QUOTE]

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