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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9415812" data-attributes="member: 6750235">This is misinformation.&nbsp; The wizard has the spells prepared plus the rituals in the spell book plus the ability to swap in spells.&nbsp; The minimum of free spells for the wizard exceeds the sorcerer prepped spells including the sorcerer subclasses that grant bonus spells prepped.A 6th level sorcerer doesn't have piles of bonus spells.&nbsp; 3 out of 4 of the subclasses in the 2024 ed of the PHB have 6 bonus spell by that level.&nbsp; Sorcerers can only select some of their spells from a much small spell list than wizards and every ritual they try to add cuts into those spells.I think the 5th level sorcerer will know 9 spells plus bonuses from subclass, tbf.&nbsp; It's already been noted the sorcerer will catch up to other spell casters on the base table.&nbsp; The wizards will have access to a minimum of 17 based on prep swapping and rituals.The way bonus spells are added is an early benefit that doesn't last, however, and this appears to be cherry-picking levels with the closest numbers.As has been mentioned, arcane recovery is not gone.No one has to take mage armor, but your comparison is flawed in that you're applying a dragon sorcerer benefit to the class when the same can be said for other sorcerer subclasses.&nbsp; If they want AC they need to spend their spell prep to add it too.We're talking about 5th and 6th level when sorcerers have 5 and 6 sorcery points, and only 2 metamagic options selected.&nbsp; They can do a bit more with sorcerous restoration, but they cannot throw metamagic spells around all the time.By 10th level when there are more sorcery points and more metamagic options the wizard has a minimum of 29 spells to work with.&nbsp; This is a larger number of spells from a larger spell list.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 9415812, member: 6750235"] This is misinformation. The wizard has the spells prepared plus the rituals in the spell book plus the ability to swap in spells. The minimum of free spells for the wizard exceeds the sorcerer prepped spells including the sorcerer subclasses that grant bonus spells prepped. A 6th level sorcerer doesn't have piles of bonus spells. 3 out of 4 of the subclasses in the 2024 ed of the PHB have 6 bonus spell by that level. Sorcerers can only select some of their spells from a much small spell list than wizards and every ritual they try to add cuts into those spells. I think the 5th level sorcerer will know 9 spells plus bonuses from subclass, tbf. It's already been noted the sorcerer will catch up to other spell casters on the base table. The wizards will have access to a minimum of 17 based on prep swapping and rituals. The way bonus spells are added is an early benefit that doesn't last, however, and this appears to be cherry-picking levels with the closest numbers. As has been mentioned, arcane recovery is not gone. No one has to take mage armor, but your comparison is flawed in that you're applying a dragon sorcerer benefit to the class when the same can be said for other sorcerer subclasses. If they want AC they need to spend their spell prep to add it too. We're talking about 5th and 6th level when sorcerers have 5 and 6 sorcery points, and only 2 metamagic options selected. They can do a bit more with sorcerous restoration, but they cannot throw metamagic spells around all the time. By 10th level when there are more sorcery points and more metamagic options the wizard has a minimum of 29 spells to work with. This is a larger number of spells from a larger spell list. [/QUOTE]

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