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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 9424292" data-attributes="member: 6701124">I like the point that ones initiative roll is your imitative roll for the entire side.&nbsp; But I'm not sure if you mean they would still get advantage on initiative against everyone or wouldn't get it against anyone.Let me try again with the question.[SPOILER=&quot;Background if I read it right...&quot;]In 5e2014 Invisibility gives the invisibility condition which has two bullets - can't be seen; and gets advantage/gives disadvantage on attacks. The See Invisibility only makes the caster see the invisible, and the (IMHO atrocious)&nbsp; Sage Advice is that the invisible creature still gets advantage / gives disadvantage on attacks even though they are seen because they are separate bullet points and the See Invisibility only says it goes with the first.In 5e2024 Invisibility gives the invisibility condition that now has three bullets - initiative advantage from surprise; can't be seen unless something lets them see you; and gets advantage /gives disadvantage on attacks unless something lets them see you.&nbsp;&nbsp; The initiative is new, and the advantage/disadvantage now goes away if seen (countering the effect of the Sage Advice for the attack rolls). [/SPOILER]Paralleling the 5e2014 Sage Advice, See Invisibility only deals with the second and third bullet points under the 5e2024 Invisibility condition.&nbsp; So, even if they are seen by some or all of the group they are attacking, an invisible person would still get the initiative advantage?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 9424292, member: 6701124"] I like the point that ones initiative roll is your imitative roll for the entire side. But I'm not sure if you mean they would still get advantage on initiative against everyone or wouldn't get it against anyone. Let me try again with the question. [SPOILER="Background if I read it right..."]In 5e2014 Invisibility gives the invisibility condition which has two bullets - can't be seen; and gets advantage/gives disadvantage on attacks. The See Invisibility only makes the caster see the invisible, and the (IMHO atrocious) Sage Advice is that the invisible creature still gets advantage / gives disadvantage on attacks even though they are seen because they are separate bullet points and the See Invisibility only says it goes with the first. In 5e2024 Invisibility gives the invisibility condition that now has three bullets - initiative advantage from surprise; can't be seen unless something lets them see you; and gets advantage /gives disadvantage on attacks unless something lets them see you. The initiative is new, and the advantage/disadvantage now goes away if seen (countering the effect of the Sage Advice for the attack rolls). [/SPOILER] Paralleling the 5e2014 Sage Advice, See Invisibility only deals with the second and third bullet points under the 5e2024 Invisibility condition. So, even if they are seen by some or all of the group they are attacking, an invisible person would still get the initiative advantage? [/QUOTE]

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