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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9542499" data-attributes="member: 83242">This was a 5e thread so I assumed we where discussing 5e.Level up does have some limits on spells (which I appreciate, but it also offers routes to less limited versions too IIRC), but gives a lot more options and complexity in general. IME, complexity doesn't make PCs less powerful. That beings said, I agree with Morrus that LevelUp characters / game are basically on par with 2014/2024 WotC 5e. So from my standpoint, that really isn't a meaningful difference in PC power between the two 5e variants.For me, limiting PC power is a DM/Player discussion that is handled in session 0. Much easier us to set the ground rules for a game we know than take time to adjust to a new system.</blockquote>