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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9421365" data-attributes="member: 5889">On a more physical dragon I can agree with you. But I thnk the point of the green is....its really less about its damaging attacks and more on its mind whammies. Its not knocking heads....its whispering promises. And its quite good at that, it can dole out 4 (2 target) charms a round! I just did the math, if you take a cleric with max wisdom and a +5 prof (aka +10 to the save), and you give it advantage on all of the saves....but you include it in every one of your charms a round (because it can be your 2nd target), you still charm it 68% of the time. And that's the best save in the party, a meer +5 has basically a 3% chance to remain uncharmed<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />This isn't a grappling, proning dragon, its a &quot;charming&quot; dragon. Now I would hope like your physical red might get some more tactical options with its attacks</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 9421365, member: 5889"] On a more physical dragon I can agree with you. But I thnk the point of the green is....its really less about its damaging attacks and more on its mind whammies. Its not knocking heads....its whispering promises. And its quite good at that, it can dole out 4 (2 target) charms a round! I just did the math, if you take a cleric with max wisdom and a +5 prof (aka +10 to the save), and you give it advantage on all of the saves....but you include it in every one of your charms a round (because it can be your 2nd target), you still charm it 68% of the time. And that's the best save in the party, a meer +5 has basically a 3% chance to remain uncharmed:) This isn't a grappling, proning dragon, its a "charming" dragon. Now I would hope like your physical red might get some more tactical options with its attacks [/QUOTE]

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