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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2168898" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>It wasn't actually item creation; it was use of a Wish Spell-Like Ability to create a magic item.</p><p></p><p>They removed the value cap of magic items from Wish in 3.5; nonmagical items are limited to 25k gp, but magic items aren't. The way this is balanced is that the XP cost of the Wish spell used to create a magic item is "twice the normal XP cost for crafting the item, plus 5000XP".</p><p></p><p>So the market price of a Ring of Unlimited Wishes is 9 x 17 x 1800 + 5000 x 100 x 5... close enough to 3 million gp. The XP cost to create is 9 x 17 x 1800 / 25, + 5000 x 100... about 16000. So the Wish to create a Ring of Unlimited Wishes has an XP cost of 16000 x 2 + 5000, or 37000 XP.</p><p></p><p>SLAs have no XP cost.</p><p></p><p>So Wish as an SLA to create a Ring of Unlimited Wishes has no XP cost.</p><p></p><p>'The Wish' is a character entirely based around that loophole. A Gated Efreeti is commanded to use his Wish SLA (he's Called, not Summoned, so the 'will not use SLAs that would cost XP if they were spells' clause is inapplicable) as an 'immediate task' to produce a Command-Activated, Unlimited-Use Ring of Wish.</p><p></p><p>As far as I can tell, the use of a SLA Wish to create a 3 million gp magic item 'for free' is completely and utterly legal in 3.5. The only issue is 'Does the DM allow a Ring of Unlimited Wishes at any price?'</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2168898, member: 1656"] It wasn't actually item creation; it was use of a Wish Spell-Like Ability to create a magic item. They removed the value cap of magic items from Wish in 3.5; nonmagical items are limited to 25k gp, but magic items aren't. The way this is balanced is that the XP cost of the Wish spell used to create a magic item is "twice the normal XP cost for crafting the item, plus 5000XP". So the market price of a Ring of Unlimited Wishes is 9 x 17 x 1800 + 5000 x 100 x 5... close enough to 3 million gp. The XP cost to create is 9 x 17 x 1800 / 25, + 5000 x 100... about 16000. So the Wish to create a Ring of Unlimited Wishes has an XP cost of 16000 x 2 + 5000, or 37000 XP. SLAs have no XP cost. So Wish as an SLA to create a Ring of Unlimited Wishes has no XP cost. 'The Wish' is a character entirely based around that loophole. A Gated Efreeti is commanded to use his Wish SLA (he's Called, not Summoned, so the 'will not use SLAs that would cost XP if they were spells' clause is inapplicable) as an 'immediate task' to produce a Command-Activated, Unlimited-Use Ring of Wish. As far as I can tell, the use of a SLA Wish to create a 3 million gp magic item 'for free' is completely and utterly legal in 3.5. The only issue is 'Does the DM allow a Ring of Unlimited Wishes at any price?' -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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