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<blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 1820361" data-attributes="member: 4275"><p>Uhhuh. </p><p></p><p>I notice you don't address Arthur.</p><p></p><p>Now granted, I don't have the "official stats" for Joan of Arc, but in Arthur's case, we have a very clear progression:</p><p></p><p>Young knight newly crowned almost killed by "rabble knights"</p><p></p><p>Young king slaying dire bears and wolves in Cameliard. In Cameliard you can't say Arthur was leaning on his more experienced knights either. His more experienced knights had been promised to Ban and Bors of France without whom Arthur could not have fought off the rebellious lords looking to kill the "boy king". Instead we see Arthur leading a ragtag band of young knights to slay dire wolves, dire bears, a barbarian horde AND an invasion by a northern Lord.</p><p></p><p>Then Arthur slays a giant in single combat.</p><p></p><p>Now since you mentioned Excalibur, as if Arthur's combat ability was completely dependant on that. He is then kidnapped, dressed in common armor and given a common sword and forced to fight Morgan le Fey's paramour in single combat. Morgan has given Excalibur to the paramour so that she can kill her husband and set him on the throne and be queen.</p><p></p><p>That's right, Arthur in ordinary equipment beat powerful knight (so he was described) wielding Excalibur. </p><p></p><p>Now we come to Lancelot- according to some tales a man Arthur beat in single combat to win his loyalty ("I, the best knight in the world bested!")</p><p></p><p>Then we have that whole war with Rome thing where he killed the demon-giant crossbreeds.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you at least willing to admit HE was very high level at a young age? (Slaying dozens of dire wolves, then giants single handedly, then legions of giant-demon crossbreeds are all described in Malory).</p><p></p><p>Or is NO ONE in legend high level?</p><p></p><p>I seriously want to know (and this isn't snarkiness). Do you think 20th level characters are the most powerful ever? More powerful than any character that appears in myth or legend? </p><p></p><p>It sure sounds like it.</p><p></p><p>Chuck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vigilance, post: 1820361, member: 4275"] Uhhuh. I notice you don't address Arthur. Now granted, I don't have the "official stats" for Joan of Arc, but in Arthur's case, we have a very clear progression: Young knight newly crowned almost killed by "rabble knights" Young king slaying dire bears and wolves in Cameliard. In Cameliard you can't say Arthur was leaning on his more experienced knights either. His more experienced knights had been promised to Ban and Bors of France without whom Arthur could not have fought off the rebellious lords looking to kill the "boy king". Instead we see Arthur leading a ragtag band of young knights to slay dire wolves, dire bears, a barbarian horde AND an invasion by a northern Lord. Then Arthur slays a giant in single combat. Now since you mentioned Excalibur, as if Arthur's combat ability was completely dependant on that. He is then kidnapped, dressed in common armor and given a common sword and forced to fight Morgan le Fey's paramour in single combat. Morgan has given Excalibur to the paramour so that she can kill her husband and set him on the throne and be queen. That's right, Arthur in ordinary equipment beat powerful knight (so he was described) wielding Excalibur. Now we come to Lancelot- according to some tales a man Arthur beat in single combat to win his loyalty ("I, the best knight in the world bested!") Then we have that whole war with Rome thing where he killed the demon-giant crossbreeds. Are you at least willing to admit HE was very high level at a young age? (Slaying dozens of dire wolves, then giants single handedly, then legions of giant-demon crossbreeds are all described in Malory). Or is NO ONE in legend high level? I seriously want to know (and this isn't snarkiness). Do you think 20th level characters are the most powerful ever? More powerful than any character that appears in myth or legend? It sure sounds like it. Chuck [/QUOTE]
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