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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6080294" data-attributes="member: 2067">I think, for D&D, I'd probably be all like:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> When you make a normal attack with a weapon, you roll to attack (for great nostalgia!).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> When you make a melee or ranged attack, you roll to attack.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> When you make an area attack or some other kind of attack that "can't miss," the defender rolls to save.</li> </ol>This lets you do things like grab 4e's solid concealment rules: melee and ranged attacks take a penalty (ie: attack rolls take a penalty against an invisible zed), but burst and blast attacks don't (ie: there's no effect on saving throws if you are the invisible zed). It matches fiction pretty well (you can't see in the darkness to shoot a guy with a bow, but if you fill the area with arrows, whatever's there is going to get hit). It also lets you handle corner cases, like a psionic effect that targets your mind: it's not something that can "miss," so the Defender gets a Wisdom save (or something), rather than having the attacker roll an attack roll. Swarms work good under this style, too: attack rolls? The bees ignore your waving sticks and pew pew lasers. Saving throws? It's super effective! I fill your zone with my whirling mace of dooooom and squish you all at once.</blockquote>