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<blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 8653207" data-attributes="member: 6777737"><p>The Bard wasn't worth it in general, because Bard didn't just compete against Magic-User or Thief. It competed against Magic-User/Thief, Fighter/Magic-User, and Fighter/Magic-User/Thief. The unique Bard abilities are typically so narrow or fallible that they don't really add a lot.</p><p></p><p>Like it really doesn't line up well once you look at the actual numbers and start comparing actual abilities out. If you can survive past the first 10,000 XP, you're way ahead as multiclass, IMO.</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Total XP</th><th>Bard Level</th><th>Fighter/2</th><th>Mage/2</th><th>Thief/2</th><th>Fighter/3</th><th>Mage/3</th><th>Thief/3</th></tr><tr><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>1,250</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>2,500</td><td>3</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>5,000</td><td>4</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td>10,000</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>20,000</td><td>6</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td>40,000</td><td>7</td><td>5</td><td>5</td><td>6</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td>70,000</td><td>8</td><td>6</td><td>5</td><td>6</td><td>5</td><td>5</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td>110,000</td><td>9</td><td>6</td><td>6</td><td>7</td><td>6</td><td>5</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td>160,000</td><td>10</td><td>7</td><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>6</td><td>6</td><td>7</td></tr><tr><td>220,000</td><td>11</td><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>7</td><td>7</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td>440,000</td><td>12</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>11</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>9</td></tr><tr><td>660,000</td><td>13</td><td>9</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>11</td></tr><tr><td>880,000</td><td>14</td><td>9</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>9</td><td>10</td><td>11</td></tr><tr><td>1,100,000</td><td>15</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>9</td><td>10</td><td>11</td></tr><tr><td>1,320,000</td><td>16</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>13</td><td>9</td><td>11</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td>1,540,000</td><td>17</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>13</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td>1,760,000</td><td>18</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>14</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td>1,980,000</td><td>19</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>14</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>13</td></tr><tr><td>2,200,000</td><td>20</td><td>12</td><td>12</td><td>15</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>13</td></tr></table><p></p><p>Fighter/2 is the level a two class multiclass fighter would be at with the listed amount of total XP. Fighter/3 is the level a three class multiclass fighter would be at, and so on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bacon Bits, post: 8653207, member: 6777737"] The Bard wasn't worth it in general, because Bard didn't just compete against Magic-User or Thief. It competed against Magic-User/Thief, Fighter/Magic-User, and Fighter/Magic-User/Thief. The unique Bard abilities are typically so narrow or fallible that they don't really add a lot. Like it really doesn't line up well once you look at the actual numbers and start comparing actual abilities out. If you can survive past the first 10,000 XP, you're way ahead as multiclass, IMO. [table] [tr] [th]Total XP[/th] [th]Bard Level[/th] [th]Fighter/2[/th] [th]Mage/2[/th] [th]Thief/2[/th] [th]Fighter/3[/th] [th]Mage/3[/th] [th]Thief/3[/th] [/tr] [tr] [td]0[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]1,250[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]2,500[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]5,000[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]2[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]10,000[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]3[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]20,000[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]4[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]40,000[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]5[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]70,000[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]6[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]110,000[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]6[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]160,000[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]7[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]220,000[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]8[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]440,000[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]9[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]660,000[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]11[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]880,000[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]1,100,000[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]1,320,000[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]1,540,000[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]1,760,000[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]1,980,000[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]13[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]2,200,000[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]13[/td] [/tr] [/table] Fighter/2 is the level a two class multiclass fighter would be at with the listed amount of total XP. Fighter/3 is the level a three class multiclass fighter would be at, and so on. [/QUOTE]
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