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<blockquote data-quote="Aurumvorax" data-source="post: 5364879" data-attributes="member: 87266">The difference between AD&amp;D and 3e is a simulationist vs. gamist approach.&nbsp; In 3e, everything is about &quot;builds&quot; and how you can fit your character in with everyone else.&nbsp; In AD&amp;D, the &quot;advanced&quot; classes were specifically designed for more challenging role play.&nbsp; You didn't play a druid because you wanted all these crazy nature powers, you played one because you wanted to be part of a world wide organization and the power struggles within it.&nbsp; Druids were very much wardens of nature but they were still human meaning a constant desire to one-up each other.&nbsp; &nbsp;Limited advancement worked in AD&amp;D because after 9th level power increased very slowly unlike 3e where power increases rapidly after 9th.&nbsp; A 15th level fighter is almost as powerful as a 20th level human fighter, missing only but 4 THAC0 (which is instantly made up with a magic weapon or specialization), about 2 from each save, and 15hp total.&nbsp; In 3e a 15th level fighter is several thousand gold pieces short of a 20th level fighter, has a base average of 27hp missing, loses an entire iterative attack and +5 bonus to hit, and has about 30% worse saving throws.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aurumvorax, post: 5364879, member: 87266"] The difference between AD&D and 3e is a simulationist vs. gamist approach. In 3e, everything is about "builds" and how you can fit your character in with everyone else. In AD&D, the "advanced" classes were specifically designed for more challenging role play. You didn't play a druid because you wanted all these crazy nature powers, you played one because you wanted to be part of a world wide organization and the power struggles within it. Druids were very much wardens of nature but they were still human meaning a constant desire to one-up each other. Limited advancement worked in AD&D because after 9th level power increased very slowly unlike 3e where power increases rapidly after 9th. A 15th level fighter is almost as powerful as a 20th level human fighter, missing only but 4 THAC0 (which is instantly made up with a magic weapon or specialization), about 2 from each save, and 15hp [b]total[/b]. In 3e a 15th level fighter is several thousand gold pieces short of a 20th level fighter, has a base average of 27hp missing, loses an entire iterative attack and +5 bonus to hit, and has about 30% worse saving throws. [/QUOTE]

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