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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BroccoliRage" data-source="post: 2805371" data-attributes="member: 38402">as far as flavor goes, thats all dependent on how good the players and dm are and how hard they try. as far as a better system goes, well, my opinions arent exactly a secret. i consider 3e too complex and a rules lawyers game. 3e deserves its praises, however. the books have lots of great concepts, the campaign settings (except faerun, forgotten realms is so generic to me) are pretty decent, and the book's artwork is dynamite. and if you get ahold of a 3e to 1e or 2e coversion book (which i have) than there is a constant flow of material, not just the coast wizards, but all sorts of groups have made great stuff (the open game liscence is the greatest thing 3e has ever acheived!). do i think 2e beats 3e with a shovel? hell yeah you had to work a lot harder to build you character up, particularly if your old school like my group and levels are awarded by the DM. but i dig the amount of new material coming out.</blockquote>