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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7637923" data-attributes="member: 4348">You should REALLY actually READ the DMG then.  It starts with the entire idea at the intro and continues on from there.  If you don't or didn't get it (well, you should have if you have actually been playing as long as you say you did...as it was BLATANT and MADE BLATANT back then if you played in any group that had any sort of connection to the main areas of playing) that the DMG was basically options.  It basically blatantly says in the front of it that this is to help you (The DM, remember it says players who read it should die)  construct your masterpiece, your campaign.  It even inspires you to read the DMG and as per the rules as written, "cut portions as as needed to maintain excitement."As it also explicitly states to use the rules the players expect (and they should only have read the PHB) and more lists the rules outside the PHB...AND as how Gary would run his games...as well as others from TSR at the time... I'm not sure how you got reading the 1e DMG as not having anything optional and must use rules (seeing the 1e DMG even counters this idea in it's own introductionary section).  Seems MORE like you are a 4e player that wants to apply 4eisms to 1e and 2e rather than playing the style that they used to play.Weird...you are a singular entity.  Just on this board which is small in number, you could probably find half a dozen who had PC's die at 0.In fact, I'm not sure how you never found a DM to have a PC die at 0 if you had any exposure to the AD&D playing at large in any way shape or form.Most of those except those of us OD&D ites...Most started with the PHB, or Holmes, or B/X and BECMI and most played with PC death at 0.  It is only more recently that larger numbers of people even became aware that there was the ZHP rule in the DMG (or even THAC0 in the 1e core rules), so what you are talking about really strikes me as odd as it doesn't actually reflect anything of the sort of culture of the playstyle from the height of the 1e era, much less going into the 2e era from 1e.  I'd imagine if it had been as popular as you are trying to make it appear, Death's Door would have been more of the default with dying at 0 HP being the optional rule instead.</blockquote>

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