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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7640141" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Low level 3e characters are more powerful than 2e ones? Really? When my 2e character can kill 5 HD creatures in one round? 40+ points of damage in a single round? Things like Sleep spells being insta kill for most encounters? Meh.</p><p></p><p>I'm very much not convinced. </p><p></p><p>Sure, an ogre might be doing a bit less than 10xCR (although not far off either), but, a troll (a pretty common monster) at CR 5 is doing 54 damage - a bit more. A Fire Giant at CR 10 is doing 99 (before power attack). A Wyvern at CR 6 is 72 damage before poison (for a potential 24 points of Con damage, more than enough to kill any PC).</p><p></p><p>It's not like 10XCr is a totally off base claim. There are a number of creatures that do it without crits and pretty common creatures too. Then you get some of the weirder ones like, say, an Athach (CR 8) which pumps out a whopping 116 points of damage in a single round. Or a Behir (CR 8) with 96 points of damage before breath weapon (and unless you have magic to get free, you're grappled until the cows come home). </p><p></p><p>Yes, if we're going to get stupidly pedantic, the CRx10 rule of thumb isn't perfectly true. As you say, a CR 7 Bulette is <em>only</em> doing 56 damage. Of course, a 7th level PC likely only has about 50 HP at the absolute outside and likely about 45, unless you're that raging barbarian, meaning you're still dead. Oh, and of course, that ignores the fact that it can jump at any time for an extra two claw attacks, bringing it's damage total to 84 points in a single round.</p><p></p><p>But, hey, we're interested in actual facts right? Not cherry picking examples. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7640141, member: 22779"] Low level 3e characters are more powerful than 2e ones? Really? When my 2e character can kill 5 HD creatures in one round? 40+ points of damage in a single round? Things like Sleep spells being insta kill for most encounters? Meh. I'm very much not convinced. Sure, an ogre might be doing a bit less than 10xCR (although not far off either), but, a troll (a pretty common monster) at CR 5 is doing 54 damage - a bit more. A Fire Giant at CR 10 is doing 99 (before power attack). A Wyvern at CR 6 is 72 damage before poison (for a potential 24 points of Con damage, more than enough to kill any PC). It's not like 10XCr is a totally off base claim. There are a number of creatures that do it without crits and pretty common creatures too. Then you get some of the weirder ones like, say, an Athach (CR 8) which pumps out a whopping 116 points of damage in a single round. Or a Behir (CR 8) with 96 points of damage before breath weapon (and unless you have magic to get free, you're grappled until the cows come home). Yes, if we're going to get stupidly pedantic, the CRx10 rule of thumb isn't perfectly true. As you say, a CR 7 Bulette is [i]only[/i] doing 56 damage. Of course, a 7th level PC likely only has about 50 HP at the absolute outside and likely about 45, unless you're that raging barbarian, meaning you're still dead. Oh, and of course, that ignores the fact that it can jump at any time for an extra two claw attacks, bringing it's damage total to 84 points in a single round. But, hey, we're interested in actual facts right? Not cherry picking examples. :erm: [/QUOTE]
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