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<blockquote data-quote="SuStel" data-source="post: 4001772" data-attributes="member: 28997"><p>This is another thing that AD&D Second Edition broke. In the first edition, odds are your elven fighter/magic-user would be limited to level 5/9. In the second edition, an elven fighter/mage could get to 12/15 — not much of a restriction.</p><p></p><p>So originally, an elven fighter/magic-user could more or less keep up with his human counterparts' hit dice, but could never do better than 5th level spells.</p><p></p><p>Let us also not forget about the level training requirements. Remember that according to the DMG, the referee is supposed to grade each player's performance on each adventure. When it's time to level up, your average grade determines how long and expensive your level training will be.</p><p></p><p>A single-classed human has to worry about only one thing. A fighter only has to be a good fighter to level up quickly. That elven fighter/magic-user has to be both a good fighter <em>and</em> a good magic-user, or else it'll cost him more time and money. Pity the half-elven cleric/fighter/magic-user for the strictures placed on him!</p><p></p><p>To summarize: multi-classed demi-humans aren't meant to be a free lunch. They're supposed to be <em>challenging</em> to play.</p><p></p><p>I see little point in that most common activity of "balancing" each combination with each other. Each has points in its favor, and each requires that you earn your keep to advance. If a referee has a problem with too many demi-humans in the party, he just has to say "no demi-humans." Somehow, however we do it, we AD&Ders still manage to have fun games.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuStel, post: 4001772, member: 28997"] This is another thing that AD&D Second Edition broke. In the first edition, odds are your elven fighter/magic-user would be limited to level 5/9. In the second edition, an elven fighter/mage could get to 12/15 — not much of a restriction. So originally, an elven fighter/magic-user could more or less keep up with his human counterparts' hit dice, but could never do better than 5th level spells. Let us also not forget about the level training requirements. Remember that according to the DMG, the referee is supposed to grade each player's performance on each adventure. When it's time to level up, your average grade determines how long and expensive your level training will be. A single-classed human has to worry about only one thing. A fighter only has to be a good fighter to level up quickly. That elven fighter/magic-user has to be both a good fighter [i]and[/i] a good magic-user, or else it'll cost him more time and money. Pity the half-elven cleric/fighter/magic-user for the strictures placed on him! To summarize: multi-classed demi-humans aren't meant to be a free lunch. They're supposed to be [i]challenging[/i] to play. I see little point in that most common activity of "balancing" each combination with each other. Each has points in its favor, and each requires that you earn your keep to advance. If a referee has a problem with too many demi-humans in the party, he just has to say "no demi-humans." Somehow, however we do it, we AD&Ders still manage to have fun games. [/QUOTE]
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