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<blockquote data-quote="charlesatan" data-source="post: 3504513" data-attributes="member: 20870">In Races of Stone there's the Stoneblessed which you can qualify after 2nd-level. Basically makes you the &quot;adopted son&quot; of either a dwarf, gnome, or goliath, gaining some of their racial abilities.Would I like to see more? Sure, if it fits the flavor. (The Stoneblessed and Master Specialist in Complete Mage fits that.) But there's a point that if it pops up too early, why not make it a base class instead? Stoneblessed meets the criteria because it's not a lot of abilities and only limited to three levels -- one can't exactly &quot;stretch&quot; a &quot;dwarf&quot; class into 20 levels (unless it's &quot;Fighter&quot;). Master Specialist doesn't need to be taken as soon as possible but it is nice to do so, and is still valuable if you take it at say, after 10th-level.I also think it has to do with the metagame. I mean in D20 modern, characters can qualify for &quot;Advanced Classes&quot; after 3rd-level. In D&amp;D, it seemed that someone decided that &quot;hey, let's start it at 5th-level&quot; and that was our baseline ever since.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="charlesatan, post: 3504513, member: 20870"] In Races of Stone there's the Stoneblessed which you can qualify after 2nd-level. Basically makes you the "adopted son" of either a dwarf, gnome, or goliath, gaining some of their racial abilities. Would I like to see more? Sure, if it fits the flavor. (The Stoneblessed and Master Specialist in Complete Mage fits that.) But there's a point that if it pops up too early, why not make it a base class instead? Stoneblessed meets the criteria because it's not a lot of abilities and only limited to three levels -- one can't exactly "stretch" a "dwarf" class into 20 levels (unless it's "Fighter"). Master Specialist doesn't need to be taken as soon as possible but it is nice to do so, and is still valuable if you take it at say, after 10th-level. I also think it has to do with the metagame. I mean in D20 modern, characters can qualify for "Advanced Classes" after 3rd-level. In D&D, it seemed that someone decided that "hey, let's start it at 5th-level" and that was our baseline ever since. [/QUOTE]

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