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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 474913" data-attributes="member: 5">Perhaps...Not when ideally realized.  In fact, in one form called the Harold (which is one of several "long form" improvosational techniques) they attempt to reach patrticular goals with scenes.  They also attempt to build from one scene to the next to achieve a cohesive story (and possibly predetermined goals) with the series of scenes, even though the details of those scenes and the story are not realized until the Improv is complete.  Sounds very much like an RPG to me. Unlike a table top RPG...?  Wha...?  I think you'd better read what you wrote hear and give me a clue what I am missing.Again, is real harm the goal of RPGs?  I'm missing something again.  Nonetheless, what you say above is also a function of RPGs, I believe.Rules are mechanics.  Are diceless RPGs not RPGs?  As I undertstand them, they resolve conflict fairly closely to the same way as what you have just describe.  It should also be mentioned that ultimately the mechanics of any RPG are merely a guideline to assist the facilitator in story telling.  Bottom line is that the facilitator is the arbitor of of the outcome, not the mechanics.  So, too, are the self-determinating members of an Improv the ultimate purveyor of the completed scene and free to break the "rules" if it furthers the story.You seem to have decided to exclude Improv (for whatever reason) and look to justify it retrospectively.  I'd suggest you define RPGs, if that is truly the goal, then examine Improv and exclude or include it based on your description.  Either way you will certainly find some who disagree with your definaition and either include or disclude Improv for whatever reasons or whims they feel are valid in their own definition.I think that your understanding of Improv leaves you in a poor position to determine whether it should be included or not.  I'd leave the field completely out of your essay, if I were you, unless you plan to research the subject in earnest.</blockquote>

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