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<blockquote data-quote="DarkMaster" data-source="post: 1739323" data-attributes="member: 16362"><p>Tyranie 101, every known tyran uses those concepts.</p><p></p><p>Again Tyranie 101, plus some spartiate/military oriented culture concept nothing new here. Only very recently in the world history nation have become so open to differences. I personnaly wouldn't have like to be a communist, gay, or black a 50 years ago in the states.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Did a lot of white people helped the black in the US? they were aware of the KKK and they certainly didn't think that those white hooded guys were lightining the cross to provide them with free heat and light. It took the american more than 200 years to realise how stupid it was and you expect the german society to do it in 20 years.</p><p></p><p>Many Iraquis didn't liked Saddam, but they were living in fear (again Tyranie 101) so they never complained or try to rebel. Same thing with most German.</p><p></p><p>Edit I usually never include any reference to known attrocity in my RPG games because, my players are here to relax, my discussion started with the idea of doing the same with a WWII game and playing the german side.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I beleive it is no worse than any other genocide, it was just done the German way, based on productivity and efficiency, I am pretty sure that any nation nowadays wanting to perform a serious genocide would study their model. Look at any genocide and you will notice one thing in common the desire to elimate the hated one as quickly as possible, it just happened that an industrialised and Engineer driven country came up with that horrible idea, so they just figured out what was the most effective way for them giving their mean to acheive their goal.</p><p></p><p>The reason why Saddam Hussein didn't kill all the Kurds is because of political issue, which the germans didn't have at the time. Don't tell me that the British, US, French and other allied were completly unaware of what was happening there, but they still waited to be attacked to enter the War. The US were even selling steel to the germans and were putting their head in the sand for quite some time. If the German would have done their little business in their country I doubt the others would have reacted. One good thing that came out of this is that Western Country learned from that and don't allow such attrocities anymore (especially if their interest is at risk <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )</p><p></p><p></p><p>The Japanese philosophy was that the best way to control the petrol in foreing territory was kill all it's inhabitant, like that you wouldn't have to deal with rebellion or resistance group. Pretty horrible when you think about it. I personally wouldn't put the British at the same level as the German, I don't think, correct me I might be wrong, they ever performed a planned genocide. They badly treated the natives but never in such a coordinated effort. Even the US, who I think performed a lot of horrible deeds, never allowed such an open mass extermination.</p><p></p><p>All this to say that two equally horrible events view from different angle/cultures may have a completly different effect. Take 9/11 and the 94 genocide in Rwanda that killed 2.4 millions people in 3 months (compare that with 6 million in almost 10 years), most american will be much more troubled by 9/11, it's all a matter of what the media want's us to beleive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DarkMaster, post: 1739323, member: 16362"] Tyranie 101, every known tyran uses those concepts. Again Tyranie 101, plus some spartiate/military oriented culture concept nothing new here. Only very recently in the world history nation have become so open to differences. I personnaly wouldn't have like to be a communist, gay, or black a 50 years ago in the states. Did a lot of white people helped the black in the US? they were aware of the KKK and they certainly didn't think that those white hooded guys were lightining the cross to provide them with free heat and light. It took the american more than 200 years to realise how stupid it was and you expect the german society to do it in 20 years. Many Iraquis didn't liked Saddam, but they were living in fear (again Tyranie 101) so they never complained or try to rebel. Same thing with most German. Edit I usually never include any reference to known attrocity in my RPG games because, my players are here to relax, my discussion started with the idea of doing the same with a WWII game and playing the german side. I beleive it is no worse than any other genocide, it was just done the German way, based on productivity and efficiency, I am pretty sure that any nation nowadays wanting to perform a serious genocide would study their model. Look at any genocide and you will notice one thing in common the desire to elimate the hated one as quickly as possible, it just happened that an industrialised and Engineer driven country came up with that horrible idea, so they just figured out what was the most effective way for them giving their mean to acheive their goal. The reason why Saddam Hussein didn't kill all the Kurds is because of political issue, which the germans didn't have at the time. Don't tell me that the British, US, French and other allied were completly unaware of what was happening there, but they still waited to be attacked to enter the War. The US were even selling steel to the germans and were putting their head in the sand for quite some time. If the German would have done their little business in their country I doubt the others would have reacted. One good thing that came out of this is that Western Country learned from that and don't allow such attrocities anymore (especially if their interest is at risk ;) ) The Japanese philosophy was that the best way to control the petrol in foreing territory was kill all it's inhabitant, like that you wouldn't have to deal with rebellion or resistance group. Pretty horrible when you think about it. I personally wouldn't put the British at the same level as the German, I don't think, correct me I might be wrong, they ever performed a planned genocide. They badly treated the natives but never in such a coordinated effort. Even the US, who I think performed a lot of horrible deeds, never allowed such an open mass extermination. All this to say that two equally horrible events view from different angle/cultures may have a completly different effect. Take 9/11 and the 94 genocide in Rwanda that killed 2.4 millions people in 3 months (compare that with 6 million in almost 10 years), most american will be much more troubled by 9/11, it's all a matter of what the media want's us to beleive. [/QUOTE]
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