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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ledded" data-source="post: 1745399" data-attributes="member: 12744">Oh, I agree, but these same people in the states were not rounded up and systematically exterminated according to a logical, cost-effective plan. In short, the answer to your question is yes, yes they did. Even as far back as prior to the American Civil War, there have been many instances of people who did recognize that slavery was wrong, and took steps to do what they could. The Civil War itself, at least in part, was fought over issues revolving around slavery. More apt maybe would be a comparison to the near-extinction, dislocation, and murder of the native american prior to and succeeding that, and the American people's apparent apathy towards their plight.  But I personally know white people who marched with the civil rights movement, who did stand up and say "hey, this is *wrong*" and suffered for it. As a result, they did help to change things. Up until this generation racism has been a fundamental problem in most 'civilized' societies, some more than others, and was exhibited in public policy in one way or another. One of the few silver linings to be found in Nazi Germany is that it's now pretty obvious how badly that works out for you.  Not *quite* true, there was resistance and rebellion here and there, but usually dealt with quite harshly and quickly. Um, that statement bothers me on so many levels I dont think that I'll comment. It is regrettable that the world did not do more to assist the Kurds, but that is a completely different thing IMO. Also, while the US was pursuing isolationist policies while the Allies were actively fighting Germany, they were not totally out of the War effort prior to Pearl. Lend-lease program in the billions (and that's 1940's billions) of dollars, 'unofficial' organizations fighting under the banner of allied countries, casualties in mercantile shipping, etc. I also disagree with the notion that if the Germans had 'done their business' solely in Germany no one would have reacted. Maybe if they were not persuing aggressive empire-building at the time it would have been more like the issues in Rwanda you mention below though. Like another poster said, it's the proximity of the event, but I personally was horrified by the genocide in Rwanda and the worlds apparent inability to do anything about it. Also, again, you have to look past a few facts to see the bigger picture. Sure, around 6 million Jews were killed, but like another poster said the mass murders were done more over something like 2-3 years, and that number is only the Jews. Quite a few of other groups were rounded up and killed (a comparable number of slavs and other various eastern europeans were also killed), not including somewhere around 20 million total Russians (military and civilian). So your final number is much, much higher than what you think. Anyway, while you do make some good points Darkmaster, I still feel that some of the arguments you post are terribly flawed not only in interpretation of events, but in the underlying facts. Not all highly trained combat soldiers are irrevocable psychotics either.  I have a good college buddy who I saw a while back at a reuinion party.  He had just gotten back from Afghanistan, from an Army Special Forces unit that had just weeks before put the 'Mozambique Drill' into effect and talked candidly about it.  A drunken idiot later that night tried to start an altercation with him and he calmly talked it down and handled it like a normal, adult human without once flying into a homocidal blood rage.  He told us later "yeah, I didn't want to get in a fight or anything, somebody could get hurt or in trouble".  Of course I had to joke with him "Yeah, I hate it when people want me to take a look at their computer at a party, talking shop when I'm trying to relax..."  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.  Point is, some of these highly trained 'brainwashed' individuals can, and do integrate back with society, albeit often with varying degrees of difficulty.  Get my friend, and a few other folks on this board, to describe Post Traumatic Stress to you. Sorry for the continued hijack, I'll shut up about it now and try to post something at least vaguely on topic <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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