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<blockquote data-quote="Psiblade" data-source="post: 1186691" data-attributes="member: 10872">Playing in a RPGA interactive in 3.0, I was hit by a an 11th level hasted cleric using harm followed by a cause critical. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />&nbsp; I went to -8 in one round. It is not broken if no one ever used it, but I saw it used constantly from PC's &amp; NPC's in conventions. The best changes in 3.5 after class restructure for bards &amp; rangers was the nerfing of haste and harm. I also believe that the ability buffs were overpowered also but they were not game breaking the way haste and harm were.Regarding 3.5 haste, I have never seen someone carrying it other than a bard.&nbsp; Of course, the groups I tend to play with tend to have a lot of divine / arcane casters so your mileage may vary. -Psiblade</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psiblade, post: 1186691, member: 10872"] Playing in a RPGA interactive in 3.0, I was hit by a an 11th level hasted cleric using harm followed by a cause critical. :( I went to -8 in one round. It is not broken if no one ever used it, but I saw it used constantly from PC's & NPC's in conventions. The best changes in 3.5 after class restructure for bards & rangers was the nerfing of haste and harm. I also believe that the ability buffs were overpowered also but they were not game breaking the way haste and harm were. Regarding 3.5 haste, I have never seen someone carrying it other than a bard. Of course, the groups I tend to play with tend to have a lot of divine / arcane casters so your mileage may vary. -Psiblade [/QUOTE]

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