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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8392239" data-attributes="member: 93670">that 7:5 no not always & looking at the high end complicates things with class defining spells that were not shared around on every spell list.  Back in 3.5 bard was a 2/3 caster to the 1:1 full caster wizard.  at level 8 bard got <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/bardSpells.htm" target="_blank">3rd level spells</a> including an amazing version of <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/glibness.htm" target="_blank">glibness. </a> That came alongside some first second third & 4th level wizard/cleric/druid spells.  Some like <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/speakWithAnimals.htm" target="_blank">speak with animals</a>, & <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/seeInvisibility.htm" target="_blank">see invis</a> the bard was getting later than others, other spells like <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/scrying.htm" target="_blank">scrying</a>, <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/removeCurse.htm" target="_blank">remove curse</a>,  <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/geasLesser.htm" target="_blank">lesser geas</a>, & others the bard was getting earlier.  The full half & 2/3 caster split got more involved in exciting ways for the party though & those get into your other points IMO. Sometimes a level 7 cleric spell might be comparable to a 5th level bard spell, but the bard should also be getting solid class/archetype abilities <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/cureSeriousWounds.htm" target="_blank">so a level 3 ceric spell might be comperable  to a level 3 bard spell instead</a>Instead of looking at an almost never cast spell that was sor/wiz9  & now <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/wish" target="_blank">more</a>, the old <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/catsGrace.htm" target="_blank">cats grace</a> & <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/bullsStrength.htm" target="_blank">bull's strength</a> are much better & more nuanced examples of spells that would have an impact in what should be a sizable plurality if not outright majority. As full casters sor/wiz/cleric/druid would get them at level 3 while the fractional casting paladin & ranger got them at level 10.  That would free up the full caster from needing to cast them in groups still casting it in addition to allowing those classes to self cast it in groups where a full caster couldn't usually justify devoting that many slots to those spells.It adds up over the course of a campaign though.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Level 4: full caster=4 casting levels progression. 3/4 caster only 3 levels.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Level5 : 3/4 caster=4 casting levels progression.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Level 8: full caster=8 casting levels progression. 3/4 caster only 6 levels.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Level 10: 3/4 caster=8 casting levels progression.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Level 12: full caster=12 casting levels progression. 3/4 caster only 9 levels.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Level 15: 3/4 caster=12 casting levels progression.</li> </ul>That has sizable impacts on  available spell slots  as well as what levels spells are gained</blockquote>

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