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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evilhalfling" data-source="post: 4763037" data-attributes="member: 16991">I had a lot of issues with skills - here is my attempt to consolidate 3.5 skills Skills: (not confirmed, but more consolidated skills should = fewer trained skills)  All trained skills are used at level +3 ranks.Consolidation: Acrobatics (Balance & Tumble) Athletics (Jump, Climb & Swim), Perception (Spot & Listen); Thievery (Pick Pockets & Escape Artist), Stealth (Hide & Move Silently) Rogues get 6 trained skillsRangers get 4 trained skills Bonus skills = Int bonus-1. Having an 8 or 9 Int does not reduce # of trained skills. Tier Skills: Athletics, Diplomacy, Perception, Stealth, Survival; 2 pick knowledge skills.     +2-3 to any untrained Tier skill with each tier (not including the common tier) 1 new language is learned at each tier. Multi-classing adds 1 new trained skill. (or 2 if rogue/by DM discretion) Starting skills must be chosen from class skills.  No restrictions of Int Bonus or Skills learned with a feat. Tiers:these tiers are some what arbitrary, spell casters tiers are a level behind, because their big jumps in power come from learning new spell levels. Tier skills are just what every competent adventurer picks up in a lifetime of violence, exploration  and surprises.Tier Skills: Athletics, Diplomacy, Perception, Stealth, Survival; 2 pick knowledge skills. Tier Benefits:[sblock]  Common: None. Heroic: +1 enhancement to all ability scores. +3 to all untrained Tier skills ...Non spell casters and limited casters reach heroic tier @ 7th level ...Full spell casters reach heroic tier @ 8th level.Adept: +1 more enhancement to all ability scores, +2 to all untrained Tier skills. ...Non-spell casters and limited casters reach heroic tier @ 10th level ...Full spell casters reach heroic tier @ 11th level.Paragon: As above & skill bonus applies to all untrained knowledge skills. + benefits ...Non-spell casters and limited casters reach heroic tier @ 13th level ...Full spell casters reach heroic tier @ 14th level.Epic Tier: As above + other benefits ...Non-spell casters and limited casters reach heroic tier @ 17th level ...Full spell casters reach heroic tier @ 18th level. (Level 8 or better spells) [/sblock]</blockquote>

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