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<blockquote data-quote="Drowbane" data-source="post: 5953467" data-attributes="member: 23396"><p>Favored Class is a weak nod to previous editions. When demihumans could only reach a certain level in certain classes. Dwarves advanced furthest as Fighters (and couldn't even be Mages), Elves (iirc) advanced furthest in Wizard, Halflings as Thieves, etc. 3e swept aside the notion that the demihumans were second class citizens by letting everybody advance to 20 in whatever they want. Dwarves can now be Mages even! Anybody can be a Paladin (previously a Human-only class!)! This is a cow (probably not even sacred) that can be sacrificed, and so as I mention above I used Favored Class rules only during year 1 of 3e.</p><p></p><p>While the Fluff may be acceptable for some games, it does not match everybodies campaign anyways. And the Fluff is highly suspect when you compare the racial mechanics at times. Elf Wizard? Are you kidding me? Yeah, +2 Dex and -2 Con just screams "lets choose the class with the d4 HD!". And even if that wasn't character suicide, in my campaigns Elves are more likely to be priests of the Old Faith (read: druids and sometimes clerics with certain domains) or warriors of the Old Faith (rangers with Wild Shape at 5th level - See UA).</p><p></p><p>This leads me to another minor flaw with 3e... see in previous editions stats were simply not as important. If you got a -1 to Con (see 2e and earlier elves) is simply didn't matter all that much, even if you were a Fighter (the only class that could benefit from more than... a +1 or +2 to HP from Con - IIRC). With 3e stats are very important, and Con is perhaps the one stat that Everybody needs, so Elves getting a penalty there is now actually a big deal...</p><p></p><p>lastly, one of my favorite PCs of all time was a Halfling Barbarian. Guess what, he owned. Granted he was something like Fighter 2 / Ranger 1 / Rogue 3 / Barbarian 2... at level 8.</p><p></p><p>My point to all this? Favored Class is the purview of the DM anyways (my campaigns, Elves favor Druidism over other endeavors) and any DM worth his dice bag can do it better than WotC did. I choose to keep it a fluff thing - if you meet an NPC of a given race, they will have a 90% chance of being a certain class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Drowbane, post: 5953467, member: 23396"] Favored Class is a weak nod to previous editions. When demihumans could only reach a certain level in certain classes. Dwarves advanced furthest as Fighters (and couldn't even be Mages), Elves (iirc) advanced furthest in Wizard, Halflings as Thieves, etc. 3e swept aside the notion that the demihumans were second class citizens by letting everybody advance to 20 in whatever they want. Dwarves can now be Mages even! Anybody can be a Paladin (previously a Human-only class!)! This is a cow (probably not even sacred) that can be sacrificed, and so as I mention above I used Favored Class rules only during year 1 of 3e. While the Fluff may be acceptable for some games, it does not match everybodies campaign anyways. And the Fluff is highly suspect when you compare the racial mechanics at times. Elf Wizard? Are you kidding me? Yeah, +2 Dex and -2 Con just screams "lets choose the class with the d4 HD!". And even if that wasn't character suicide, in my campaigns Elves are more likely to be priests of the Old Faith (read: druids and sometimes clerics with certain domains) or warriors of the Old Faith (rangers with Wild Shape at 5th level - See UA). This leads me to another minor flaw with 3e... see in previous editions stats were simply not as important. If you got a -1 to Con (see 2e and earlier elves) is simply didn't matter all that much, even if you were a Fighter (the only class that could benefit from more than... a +1 or +2 to HP from Con - IIRC). With 3e stats are very important, and Con is perhaps the one stat that Everybody needs, so Elves getting a penalty there is now actually a big deal... lastly, one of my favorite PCs of all time was a Halfling Barbarian. Guess what, he owned. Granted he was something like Fighter 2 / Ranger 1 / Rogue 3 / Barbarian 2... at level 8. My point to all this? Favored Class is the purview of the DM anyways (my campaigns, Elves favor Druidism over other endeavors) and any DM worth his dice bag can do it better than WotC did. I choose to keep it a fluff thing - if you meet an NPC of a given race, they will have a 90% chance of being a certain class. [/QUOTE]
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