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<blockquote data-quote="Mike Sullivan" data-source="post: 843397" data-attributes="member: 9824"><p>So, since it was pointed out that my analysis involved unreasonably high AC's, I'd like to remedy that. Here's a much broader attack on AC's 15 and 20, with many of the options discussed on this thread.</p><p></p><p>To recap:</p><p></p><p>Bob is an archer with a Str 10, Dex 20. He is a 9th level fighter. He has WF - Longbow, WS - Longbow, PBS, Rapid Shot, Improved Critical - Longbow.</p><p></p><p>Gary is a greatswordsman with a Str 20, Dex 10. He is a 9th level fighter. He has WF - Greatsword, WS - Greatsword, Improved Critical - Greatsword, and Power Attack.</p><p></p><p>In all of the below calculations, we will examine Bob and Gary assuming this equipment:</p><p></p><p>Bob: +3 (mighty) longbow, +3 arrows (through GMW), +4 Dex modifier.</p><p>Gary: +3 greatsword, +4 Str modifier.</p><p></p><p>Now, some of the options we will check out:</p><p></p><p>Base characters (Bob attacks at +21/+21/+16 for 1d8 + 6 19-20/x3 damage, Gary attacks at +20/+15 for 2d6 + 15 17-20/x2 damage).</p><p></p><p>Gary Power Attacking at +3, Gary Power Attacking at +5. (Gary attacks at +17/+12 for 2d6 + 18 damage, and Gary attacks at +15/+10 for 2d6 + 20 damage).</p><p></p><p>Bob given a +2 Str modifier, a +4 Str modifier. (Same attack bonus, 1d8 + 7 and 1d8 + 9 damage).</p><p></p><p>Bob in and out of 30 feet. (Attack bonus up to +22/+22/+17 for 1d8 + 9 damage)</p><p></p><p>Bob with Bracers of archery. (Attack bonus up to +23/+23/+18, possibly a one point increase in damage)</p><p></p><p>Plus maybe some combinations of the above.</p><p></p><p>Opponent with 15 AC</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><br /> Bob base: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 = 35.91 damage<br /> <br /> Gary base: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 26.4 + .95 * 26.4 = 50.16 damage<br /> <br /> Gary power attacking at +3: 95% chance to hit, 90% chance to hi = .95 * 30 + .9 * 30 = 55.5 damage<br /> <br /> Gary power attacking at +5: 95% chance to hit, 80% chance to hit = .95 * 32.4 + .8 * 32.4 = 56.7 damage<br /> <br /> Bob with +2 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 13.8 + .95 * 13.8 + .95 * 13.8 = 39.33 damage.<br /> <br /> Bob with +4 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 15 + .95 * 15 + .95 * 15 = 42.75 damage<br /> <br /> Bob within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 16.2 + .95 * 16.2 + .95 * 16.2 = 46.17<br /> <br /> Bob with bracers of archery (not in 30 feet): As Bob base (he doesn't need the extra bonus to hit).<br /> <br /> Bob with bracers of archery, +2 str, and within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 = 53.01 damage.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Opponent with 20 AC</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><br /> Bob base: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 85% chance to hit = .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 + .85 * 12.6 = 34.65 damage<br /> <br /> Gary base: 95% chance to hit, 80% chance to hit = .95 * 26.4 + .8 * 26.4 = 46.2 damage.<br /> <br /> Gary power attacking to +3: 90% chance to hit, 65% chance to hit = .9 * 30 + .65 * 30 = 46.5 damage.<br /> <br /> Gary power attacking to +5: 80% chance to hit, 55% chance to hit = .8 * 32.4 + .55 * 32.4 = 43.74 damage.<br /> <br /> Bob with +2 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chane to hit, 85% chance to hit = .95 * 13.8 + .95 * 13.8 + .85 * 13.8 = 37.95 damage<br /> <br /> Bob with +4 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chane to hit, 85% chance to hit = .95 * 15 + .95 * 15 + .85 * 15 = 41.25 damage<br /> <br /> Bob within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 90% chance to hit = .95 * 16.2 + .95 * 16.2 + .9 * 16.2 = 45.36 damage<br /> <br /> Bob with Bracers of Archery (not w/i 30 feet): 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 = 35.91 damage<br /> <br /> Bob with bracers of archery, +2 str, and within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 = 53.01 damage.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mike Sullivan, post: 843397, member: 9824"] So, since it was pointed out that my analysis involved unreasonably high AC's, I'd like to remedy that. Here's a much broader attack on AC's 15 and 20, with many of the options discussed on this thread. To recap: Bob is an archer with a Str 10, Dex 20. He is a 9th level fighter. He has WF - Longbow, WS - Longbow, PBS, Rapid Shot, Improved Critical - Longbow. Gary is a greatswordsman with a Str 20, Dex 10. He is a 9th level fighter. He has WF - Greatsword, WS - Greatsword, Improved Critical - Greatsword, and Power Attack. In all of the below calculations, we will examine Bob and Gary assuming this equipment: Bob: +3 (mighty) longbow, +3 arrows (through GMW), +4 Dex modifier. Gary: +3 greatsword, +4 Str modifier. Now, some of the options we will check out: Base characters (Bob attacks at +21/+21/+16 for 1d8 + 6 19-20/x3 damage, Gary attacks at +20/+15 for 2d6 + 15 17-20/x2 damage). Gary Power Attacking at +3, Gary Power Attacking at +5. (Gary attacks at +17/+12 for 2d6 + 18 damage, and Gary attacks at +15/+10 for 2d6 + 20 damage). Bob given a +2 Str modifier, a +4 Str modifier. (Same attack bonus, 1d8 + 7 and 1d8 + 9 damage). Bob in and out of 30 feet. (Attack bonus up to +22/+22/+17 for 1d8 + 9 damage) Bob with Bracers of archery. (Attack bonus up to +23/+23/+18, possibly a one point increase in damage) Plus maybe some combinations of the above. Opponent with 15 AC [list] Bob base: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 = 35.91 damage Gary base: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 26.4 + .95 * 26.4 = 50.16 damage Gary power attacking at +3: 95% chance to hit, 90% chance to hi = .95 * 30 + .9 * 30 = 55.5 damage Gary power attacking at +5: 95% chance to hit, 80% chance to hit = .95 * 32.4 + .8 * 32.4 = 56.7 damage Bob with +2 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 13.8 + .95 * 13.8 + .95 * 13.8 = 39.33 damage. Bob with +4 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 15 + .95 * 15 + .95 * 15 = 42.75 damage Bob within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 16.2 + .95 * 16.2 + .95 * 16.2 = 46.17 Bob with bracers of archery (not in 30 feet): As Bob base (he doesn't need the extra bonus to hit). Bob with bracers of archery, +2 str, and within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 = 53.01 damage. [/list] Opponent with 20 AC [list] Bob base: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 85% chance to hit = .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 + .85 * 12.6 = 34.65 damage Gary base: 95% chance to hit, 80% chance to hit = .95 * 26.4 + .8 * 26.4 = 46.2 damage. Gary power attacking to +3: 90% chance to hit, 65% chance to hit = .9 * 30 + .65 * 30 = 46.5 damage. Gary power attacking to +5: 80% chance to hit, 55% chance to hit = .8 * 32.4 + .55 * 32.4 = 43.74 damage. Bob with +2 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chane to hit, 85% chance to hit = .95 * 13.8 + .95 * 13.8 + .85 * 13.8 = 37.95 damage Bob with +4 str: 95% chance to hit, 95% chane to hit, 85% chance to hit = .95 * 15 + .95 * 15 + .85 * 15 = 41.25 damage Bob within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 90% chance to hit = .95 * 16.2 + .95 * 16.2 + .9 * 16.2 = 45.36 damage Bob with Bracers of Archery (not w/i 30 feet): 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 + .95 * 12.6 = 35.91 damage Bob with bracers of archery, +2 str, and within 30 feet: 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit, 95% chance to hit = .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 + .95 * 18.6 = 53.01 damage. [/list] [/QUOTE]
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