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<blockquote data-quote="radmod" data-source="post: 5267804" data-attributes="member: 93008"><p>Yeah, Frank, you're right. I meant to mention this earlier but forgot.</p><p></p><p>Per PH, p. 128:</p><p>"A Fine, Diminutive, or Tiny creature can move into or through an occupied square. The creature provokes <a href="http://dungeons.wikia.com/wiki/SRD:Attack_of_Opportunity" target="_blank">attacks of opportunity</a> when doing so."</p><p>Yet technically, on the same page (above it):</p><p>"You can’t end your movement in the same square as another creature unless it is <a href="http://dungeons.wikia.com/wiki/SRD:Helpless" target="_blank">helpless</a>"</p><p></p><p>However, as a DM I would ignore the second part in this case, or rather choose to think "move into" implies "can end" as it seems more correct. Likewise, there is, I believe, no technical limitation on the weapon used on your space. However, I wouldn't allow a PC to use a two-handed sword on a rat in his space. Likewise, if the rat were actually on the PC at the time (dropped from the ceiling, etc.) the PC would have to take a grapple action to get it off (knock it off, grab it and throw, use a dagger, etc.). </p><p></p><p>As to the AoO. AFAIK, there is nothing in the rules that says a 0' threat range means no AoO. It simply means that you can't threat OUTSIDE of your space. So, you may AoO inside of your space.</p><p>Think of it this way: take four adjacent spaces, the PC in one of them threatens the other spaces, correct? He doesn't threaten (normally) the space beyond the adjacent space.</p><p>Now just shift everything down. A Tiny would threaten, in a Tiny manner, everything adjacent to his Tiny space (e.g. a regular space) but not beyond it. (ignore the idea that the Tiny creature would by default be adjacent to three other, non-Tiny spaces!)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="radmod, post: 5267804, member: 93008"] Yeah, Frank, you're right. I meant to mention this earlier but forgot. Per PH, p. 128: "A Fine, Diminutive, or Tiny creature can move into or through an occupied square. The creature provokes [URL="http://dungeons.wikia.com/wiki/SRD:Attack_of_Opportunity"]attacks of opportunity[/URL] when doing so." Yet technically, on the same page (above it): "You can’t end your movement in the same square as another creature unless it is [URL="http://dungeons.wikia.com/wiki/SRD:Helpless"]helpless[/URL]" However, as a DM I would ignore the second part in this case, or rather choose to think "move into" implies "can end" as it seems more correct. Likewise, there is, I believe, no technical limitation on the weapon used on your space. However, I wouldn't allow a PC to use a two-handed sword on a rat in his space. Likewise, if the rat were actually on the PC at the time (dropped from the ceiling, etc.) the PC would have to take a grapple action to get it off (knock it off, grab it and throw, use a dagger, etc.). As to the AoO. AFAIK, there is nothing in the rules that says a 0' threat range means no AoO. It simply means that you can't threat OUTSIDE of your space. So, you may AoO inside of your space. Think of it this way: take four adjacent spaces, the PC in one of them threatens the other spaces, correct? He doesn't threaten (normally) the space beyond the adjacent space. Now just shift everything down. A Tiny would threaten, in a Tiny manner, everything adjacent to his Tiny space (e.g. a regular space) but not beyond it. (ignore the idea that the Tiny creature would by default be adjacent to three other, non-Tiny spaces!) [/QUOTE]
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