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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 920411" data-attributes="member: 172">Could have fooled me. My fighter mini looks a lot like a fighter. That mind flayer looks a lot like a mind flayer. A dragon, a dragon, etc.Representing the creature is the ENTIRE point of minis. Representing a mini's reach is a separate issue that already has been taken into account by the sytem.&nbsp;So the cow is spherical! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Doing so is putting the cart before the horse. If, for you, facing is so pressing that you have to make minis not represent things anyomore, you have defeated the purpose of minis. If it comes between facing and making minis or chits NOT properly represent the creature that they are supposed to represent, then add facing rules, by durn!Things like flying rules and the &quot;run&quot; action have sort of an implied facing anyways; that they have abstracted away facing wherever possible does not justify abstacting away creature shapes.Not that I think this is a genuine problem at all. AFAICT, this is all to facilitate their &quot;minis line&quot; thing and/or someone on R&amp;D is REALLY proud of chainmail. Like I said, I never heard complaints about &quot;counter shape&quot; before, and as there is no hit location in 3e, whether you hit the horse in the arse or the head is immaterial.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psion, post: 920411, member: 172"] Could have fooled me. My fighter mini looks a lot like a fighter. That mind flayer looks a lot like a mind flayer. A dragon, a dragon, etc. Representing the creature is the ENTIRE point of minis. Representing a mini's reach is a separate issue that already has been taken into account by the sytem. So the cow is spherical! :) Doing so is putting the cart before the horse. If, for you, facing is so pressing that you have to make minis not represent things anyomore, you have defeated the purpose of minis. If it comes between facing and making minis or chits NOT properly represent the creature that they are supposed to represent, then add facing rules, by durn! Things like flying rules and the "run" action have sort of an implied facing anyways; that they have abstracted away facing wherever possible does not justify abstacting away creature shapes. Not that I think this is a genuine problem at all. AFAICT, this is all to facilitate their "minis line" thing and/or someone on R&D is REALLY proud of chainmail. Like I said, I never heard complaints about "counter shape" before, and as there is no hit location in 3e, whether you hit the horse in the arse or the head is immaterial. [/QUOTE]

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