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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dave Turner" data-source="post: 941430" data-attributes="member: 12329">I don't mean to sound overly critical, but could you explain this sentence?  That seems like a very strange way to approach game design: "What spells should we give the bard?""Well, there's three or four I think bards would really like.  After that, I'll just fill up most of the list with some throw-away, trash spells that I don't think anyone would want anyway."Why not just give the bard those few spells as spell-like abilities and ditch the spellcasting altogether?  Shouldn't the bard spell list have lots of excellent choices?  If the spell list seems a bit bare, shouldn't you either redesign some spells or design some new ones?</blockquote>