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<blockquote data-quote="Dthamilaye" data-source="post: 944285" data-attributes="member: 11890">.*Cough* I thought bard and virtuoso sucketh so badly in 3.0 that when one of my players took this route, I ruled that virtuoso levels were counted just as bard levels, ie, he got bardic knowledge and such.Additionally, I gave the virtuoso 1 extra 'song' per level. The ones she has initially are totally useless. So I have him things like sleep(every round of singing), expeditious retreat, emotion, control winds, minor globe of invulnerability, spell resistance, storm of vengeance. They all took different amounts of bardic song uses and such.I also changed some bad songs, such as facinate can be done in a middle of a fight, if nobody is threatening the guy facinated. Countersong can be used reactively. Still, the bard/virtuoso is mostly information gatherer in the group, having few levels of divine oracle.With bought adventurers, mostly dungeoneering and guys like shade/druid, half-dragon/planar champion, feryi/sorc/inc/acm and half-celestial/rogue, the bard/virtuoso seems bit underpowered.Even if the bard is a song dragon as a race.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dthamilaye, post: 944285, member: 11890"] [b].[/b] *Cough* I thought bard and virtuoso sucketh so badly in 3.0 that when one of my players took this route, I ruled that virtuoso levels were counted just as bard levels, ie, he got bardic knowledge and such. Additionally, I gave the virtuoso 1 extra 'song' per level. The ones she has initially are totally useless. So I have him things like sleep(every round of singing), expeditious retreat, emotion, control winds, minor globe of invulnerability, spell resistance, storm of vengeance. They all took different amounts of bardic song uses and such. I also changed some bad songs, such as facinate can be done in a middle of a fight, if nobody is threatening the guy facinated. Countersong can be used reactively. Still, the bard/virtuoso is mostly information gatherer in the group, having few levels of divine oracle. With bought adventurers, mostly dungeoneering and guys like shade/druid, half-dragon/planar champion, feryi/sorc/inc/acm and half-celestial/rogue, the bard/virtuoso seems bit underpowered. Even if the bard is a song dragon as a race. [/QUOTE]

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