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<blockquote data-quote="Omegaxicor" data-source="post: 5808033" data-attributes="member: 95351">Really there is no right or wrong answer...except yours which ended in a TPK <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> (but that's ok)your real mistake was allowing the rules to disallow something you knew should have worked, if you are going to give the Hidden PC a Surprise Round (I wouldn't because he is effectively bending Time around him to act when noone else can) then the &quot;Black Tentacles spell&quot; or whatever should have taken two turns to cast (the turn he cast it, the surprise round and then end on his next turn) then the HPC could have disrupted the spell.Alternatively you could have just gone by RAW and had the Caster Flat-Footed against the HPC's attack which was readied for thenVegepygmy what do you mean &quot;you can't ready an action out of combat&quot;???? of course you can, that's what layered ambushes are for, one group readies a actions for when the enemies appear, another group readies actions for when the spellcaster begins to heal/buff, a third group readies actions to target the leader when he begins to flee.In and out of combat are not dimensions you pass through they are just names for if you HAVE to move in initiative order, if my Ranger wants to aim his bow and shoot the next guy to walk through the door, does everyone have to move in Initiative order while the archer holds his draw, no</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Omegaxicor, post: 5808033, member: 95351"] Really there is no right or wrong answer...except yours which ended in a TPK :) (but that's ok) your real mistake was allowing the rules to disallow something you knew should have worked, if you are going to give the Hidden PC a Surprise Round (I wouldn't because he is effectively bending Time around him to act when noone else can) then the "Black Tentacles spell" or whatever should have taken two turns to cast (the turn he cast it, the surprise round and then end on his next turn) then the HPC could have disrupted the spell. Alternatively you could have just gone by RAW and had the Caster Flat-Footed against the HPC's attack which was readied for then Vegepygmy what do you mean "you can't ready an action out of combat"???? of course you can, that's what layered ambushes are for, one group readies a actions for when the enemies appear, another group readies actions for when the spellcaster begins to heal/buff, a third group readies actions to target the leader when he begins to flee. In and out of combat are not dimensions you pass through they are just names for if you HAVE to move in initiative order, if my Ranger wants to aim his bow and shoot the next guy to walk through the door, does everyone have to move in Initiative order while the archer holds his draw, no [/QUOTE]

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