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3.5 Binder: what's Tenebrous's Darkvision range?
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<blockquote data-quote="GodOfCheese" data-source="post: 5335560" data-attributes="member: 19170"><p><strong>Revisiting this...</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>AFAICT Darkvision always has a limit, which makes this suspicious (not necessarily unbalanced). It occurred to me to do an ad-hoc search of the SRD for darkvision ranges above 60. Here's what I found:</p><p></p><p>"darkvision 60" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 172 hits</p><p>darkvision "darkvision out to 60 " site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 33 hits</p><p>"darkvision 90" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 4 hits </p><p>darkvision "darkvision out to 90 " site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 2 hits</p><p>"darkvision 120" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 2 hits</p><p>darkvision "darkvision out to 120" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 6 hits</p><p></p><p>seeing a pattern here? Fast-forward:</p><p></p><p>darkvision -"darkvision 60 ft" -"darkvision 60ft" -"darkvision 90 ft" -"darkvision 120ft" -"darkvision out to 60" more:monsters</p><p></p><p>...breaks google. Weeding through the false-positives though, it looks like there are a grand total of <em>three</em> (Devastation Vermin, Thorciasid, and Primal Elementals), <strong>and each is epic</strong>. </p><p></p><p>It gets more interesting (to me at least). Devils can see in deeper darkness, and that's where Tenebrous's power comes from. The specific quote:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...but each Devil in the SRD has explicit "darkvision 60" down in the Special Qualities section (confirmed on Hamatula, Barbazu, Osyluth, Kyton, Erinyes, Bezikira, Cornugon, Gelugon, Imp, Lemure, and even the Pit Fiend).</p><p></p><p>My read here is that if the authors intended for the Tenebrous vestige to grant the first (AFAICT) instance of unlimited-range darkvision, they probably would have said so explicitly. </p><p></p><p>That leaves the question of how far it's <em>supposed </em>to see. 60' seems like the easy answer, but I'm not sure it's the correct one. Tenebrous is not a low-level vestige. Placing it akin to a spell-level, this seems higher than the Wiz2 Darkvision spell (60), so it should probably be 90 or 120...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GodOfCheese, post: 5335560, member: 19170"] [b]Revisiting this...[/b] AFAICT Darkvision always has a limit, which makes this suspicious (not necessarily unbalanced). It occurred to me to do an ad-hoc search of the SRD for darkvision ranges above 60. Here's what I found: "darkvision 60" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 172 hits darkvision "darkvision out to 60 " site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 33 hits "darkvision 90" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 4 hits darkvision "darkvision out to 90 " site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 2 hits "darkvision 120" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 2 hits darkvision "darkvision out to 120" site:d20srd.org more:monsters = 6 hits seeing a pattern here? Fast-forward: darkvision -"darkvision 60 ft" -"darkvision 60ft" -"darkvision 90 ft" -"darkvision 120ft" -"darkvision out to 60" more:monsters ...breaks google. Weeding through the false-positives though, it looks like there are a grand total of [I]three[/I] (Devastation Vermin, Thorciasid, and Primal Elementals), [B]and each is epic[/B]. It gets more interesting (to me at least). Devils can see in deeper darkness, and that's where Tenebrous's power comes from. The specific quote: ...but each Devil in the SRD has explicit "darkvision 60" down in the Special Qualities section (confirmed on Hamatula, Barbazu, Osyluth, Kyton, Erinyes, Bezikira, Cornugon, Gelugon, Imp, Lemure, and even the Pit Fiend). My read here is that if the authors intended for the Tenebrous vestige to grant the first (AFAICT) instance of unlimited-range darkvision, they probably would have said so explicitly. That leaves the question of how far it's [I]supposed [/I]to see. 60' seems like the easy answer, but I'm not sure it's the correct one. Tenebrous is not a low-level vestige. Placing it akin to a spell-level, this seems higher than the Wiz2 Darkvision spell (60), so it should probably be 90 or 120... [/QUOTE]
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