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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Persiflage" data-source="post: 5337376" data-attributes="member: 73597">Darkvision always has a limit.  The special quality under discussion is see in darkness, however, which isn't darkvision and NEVER has a limit.  See In Darkness is NOT darkvision because:1)  See In Darkness works in magical darkness, whilst darkvision does not.Far more importantly:2)  See in darkness is a supernatural special quality, whilst darkvision is an extraordinary one.The Tenebrous vestige grants the see in darkness ability, NOT darkvision.[snipped stuff about darkvision]Devils can see in deeper darkness because they have the see in darkness special quality, not because they have darkvision.  The former quality renders the latter (MOSTLY) redundant.But they're doing nothing of the sort.  They're giving access to the see in darkness ability, which has no limit.  It is not darkvision, which does.  It has nothing to do with darkvision, despite the fact that they have a significant overlap.  A creature can have one without the other.  If they have both, darkvision is no longer significant under most circumstances.There is no limit to vision range listed for the see in darkness special quality.  There is for darkvision.  I'm afraid neither of your explanations are correct: the reason that all  devils have darkvision listed - even though it's redundant - is because  they are outsiders.  Outsiders have darkvision.   Ergo, darkvision is listed even  though most of the time it doesn't matter because see in darkness is the better ability.  However, there are circumstances in which either one can be applicable whilst the other is not.  It is important to list both (if they have both) because see in darkness - being a supernatural ability - will not function in an antimagic area, whilst darkvision - being an extraordinary ability - will.  It is also important because certain spells, feats and class abilities based off polymorph will give you one type of ability but not the other.Hope that clears it up  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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