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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4433180" data-attributes="member: 72317">Few more observations.Forcecage shuts down any foe of huge or smaller without the ability to teleport. It has an obscenely long duration as well.Maze is not as bad, but still debilitating. Imagine throwing a pair of death giants at the party, only to have the wizard maze/forcecage one of them, effectively removing it from combat. The party than focus-fires on the other one, before discharging forcecage/waiting out maze, then gangbangs the other.As noted, flight is an issue, since an astute party can just hover out of reach of a non-flying melee foe (like the tarrasque, which is the poster boy of crappy high-cr monster design). Gate is problematic as well. Basically, while the point about 1-turn kills is likely an exaggeration, it is not really that far off from the truth. By the first 1-2 rounds, even if the enemies are not yet dead, the outcome of the battle should more or less have already been dictated, with most of them disabled in one way or another (eg: trip-locked, held/paralyzed/forcecaged/grappled, separated by walls of force, blinded etc). Here is an example of what one can expect in mid-high lv play.Whacky...to say the least.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>