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[3.5] Can a Bbn/Drd wield a glaive while wildshaped as a dire ape?
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1066698" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p><em> Wildshape </em> invokes <em> polymorph </em> which invokes this language in <em> alter self: </em></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>We need to be precise here. I see a lot of people quoting the rules following this sentence for what happens when a polymoprhed creature reverts to normal form from its assumed form. Those are not the appropriate rules. The appropriate rules are those for when a new form is assumed. Regarding equipment issues when a new form is being assumed, there is only the one sentence listed above.</p><p></p><p>In order for the equipment not to merge, it must either:</p><p></p><p>a.) be held at the time of the change and be an item that the new form is <em> capable </em> of holding, or </p><p></p><p>b.) be worn at the time of the change and be an item that the new form is <em> capable </em> of wearing.</p><p></p><p>There is no D&D specific definiton of capable, so we use a standard English dictionary definition of capable: "Having the qualities necessary for". As long as the new form has qualities necessary for holding or wearing the object, that object should not meld.</p><p></p><p>There are no real world dire apes, but it is fairly safe to assume that a real ape is an acceptable model for a dire ape for determining if it is capable of holding a weapon. If you do a quick look on google for "ape picture", you'll find a number of sites with silly posters of apes holding things with their hands. An ape is capable of holding a weapon, so <strong> weapons, in general should not merge with the new form. </strong> I'll discuss armor later.</p><p></p><p>As for weapons resizing during a polymorph: There is no provision in wildshape, polymorph or alter self to resize weapons. In fact, Andy Collins (the guy responsible for the 3.5 PHB) provided the following quote that says that weapons do not resize in a polymorph effect:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>That quote comes from the "3.5 Q&A unanswered questions" thread on the WotC 3.5 Q&A board.</p><p></p><p>So, in total, the dire are should end up with a poorly sized glaive (which causes a penalty to hit and medium size glaive damage instead of large size glaive damage).</p><p></p><p>As for armor, the armor should not fit an ape. They may be vaguely humanoid, but not so much that they would be capable of wearing the armor, even if it did resize. Because of this, it should meld into the new form instead of remaining. </p><p></p><p>As a separate note, items other than armor or weapons do resize. It is just these two things that do not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 1066698, member: 2629"] [i] Wildshape [/i] invokes [i] polymorph [/i] which invokes this language in [i] alter self: [/i] We need to be precise here. I see a lot of people quoting the rules following this sentence for what happens when a polymoprhed creature reverts to normal form from its assumed form. Those are not the appropriate rules. The appropriate rules are those for when a new form is assumed. Regarding equipment issues when a new form is being assumed, there is only the one sentence listed above. In order for the equipment not to merge, it must either: a.) be held at the time of the change and be an item that the new form is [i] capable [/i] of holding, or b.) be worn at the time of the change and be an item that the new form is [i] capable [/i] of wearing. There is no D&D specific definiton of capable, so we use a standard English dictionary definition of capable: "Having the qualities necessary for". As long as the new form has qualities necessary for holding or wearing the object, that object should not meld. There are no real world dire apes, but it is fairly safe to assume that a real ape is an acceptable model for a dire ape for determining if it is capable of holding a weapon. If you do a quick look on google for "ape picture", you'll find a number of sites with silly posters of apes holding things with their hands. An ape is capable of holding a weapon, so [b] weapons, in general should not merge with the new form. [/b] I'll discuss armor later. As for weapons resizing during a polymorph: There is no provision in wildshape, polymorph or alter self to resize weapons. In fact, Andy Collins (the guy responsible for the 3.5 PHB) provided the following quote that says that weapons do not resize in a polymorph effect: That quote comes from the "3.5 Q&A unanswered questions" thread on the WotC 3.5 Q&A board. So, in total, the dire are should end up with a poorly sized glaive (which causes a penalty to hit and medium size glaive damage instead of large size glaive damage). As for armor, the armor should not fit an ape. They may be vaguely humanoid, but not so much that they would be capable of wearing the armor, even if it did resize. Because of this, it should meld into the new form instead of remaining. As a separate note, items other than armor or weapons do resize. It is just these two things that do not. [/QUOTE]
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