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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 1080326" data-attributes="member: 1560">If you are setting up your Hide check, how do you determine whether there is even a chance for failure? This seems subjective to me. What if the only person in the area couldn't succeed in a Spot check even if you rolled a 1 on Hide? Then can you Take 20? Since now there is no chance for "failure"?How's this:I have a +20 Hide check. So I arrange for my dense friend Billy Bob and his cousins to walk by in a few minutes. Since Billy Bob and his cousins all have a Wis of 7 and no ranks in Spot, they max out on an 18. Now, since I cannot possibly fail to hide from them, I can proceed to Take 20. Once I'e spent the required 2 minutes perfecting my hiding spot, I am successfully ensconced and have a Hide of 40.How was that?That is why it is silly to me to think Take 20 is inappropriate since the implied failure is subjective and based on who may (or may not) by walking by at the time.</blockquote>