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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Krinkle" data-source="post: 1080366" data-attributes="member: 12788">Taking 20 represents trying an action over and over until you get it perfect, as has been said. I would allow a character to take 20 while hiding, say while setting up an ambush, if they expressly mentioned that every round they were getting up and finding a new hiding place. Then I would laugh at them, impose a significant circumstance penalty for spending two minutes jumping around, and finally encourage them to take 10 next time.Consider that if taking 20 were allowed, every kobold ambush against 1st level characters would require the characters to beat a 20+ on their spot check to avoid it, which is clearly unreasonable. Not to mention that there are definitive negative ramifications against the Kobolds if the characters do manage to beat it, which seems to invalidate taking 20.</blockquote>