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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1080374" data-attributes="member: 2629">Officially: Taking 20: You must have plenty of time, no threats, no distractions, and there must be no penalty for failure (other than time spent on the attempt).Can this be used with hiding? No. Why? Because there is a penalty for failure. You can be spotted if you fail. What about a situation where you can not fail because your hide skill is more than 20 points higher than all spot skills in the immediate area? You still can't. Why? Because others might enter the area who might have a higher spot skill. A possible penalty for failure is still present, even if all the nearby beings have no chance to spot you.Taking 10:If you are not being threatened or distracted, you can take 10. Can this be used with hiding? Under certain circumstances, yes. For instance, if a thieving rogue knows that a rich nobleman is going to be visiting the nobleman's mistress that evening, the rogue might hide in the bedroom of the mistress and wait to ambush the nobleman. If nobody is in the room when he arrives, he may 'take 10' on his hide check.Unofficially: A rogue that has a 1/2 hour to find the perfect hiding spot should be able to find the best one he could find. As such, you might let the rogue repeat his roll once per round and use the best result (which will in effect be taking 20 in most cases). You need to be fluid with the rules to keep things from being nonsensical.</blockquote>