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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 1080963" data-attributes="member: 6239">If you can't retry, you can't take 20.  Only with Nail's trick does a "take 20" sort of work, but that actually takes much longer.  Much as I like him, Sean is wrong on this one.The other thing I noticed is that others were stating that you needed knowledge to complete a take 20, which isn't true.  If it were, you could not take 20 on a search check unless you knew something was there.  If you knew it was there, you wouldn't have to search for it, would you?  Also, what if you knew it was there, but it had been moved?  Knowing isn't part of the description of take 20 and shouldn't be.Edit: damn it, I missed the lack of a try again passage allows it.  Ok, so I guess you can take 20 offically.  I will be house ruling that....</blockquote>